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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:18:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110916181837.GC11160@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA9aO99e-KYT5S2DtRqDej5JmvVgdCgu6+Gj-dmmMVm4Aw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 06:47:56PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 16 September 2011 17:33, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:45:33PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> >> On 15 September 2011 21:29, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> > 16650A is not a device. ISA card it resides on is a device.
> >>
> >> The 16550A is an encapsulated set of functionality with some
> >> well defined interfaces ("I provide a set of memory mapped
> >> registers", "I have an output gpio line (irq)"), which we
> >> need to be able to compose into other things (lots of models
> >> use a 16550A one way or another, not just the ISA serial card),
> >> connect up (ie connect that irq to an appropriate interrupt
> >> controller, map the registers in system memory or under ISA
> >> or whatever), and configure (eg specify the backend chardev).
> >>
> >> I don't think there's any difference at all between that
> >> and (say) the NE2000 PCI model, which also is encapsulated
> >> functionality with well defined interfaces that we need to
> >> be able to compose and connect and configure. We should be
> >> using the same implementation and abstractions for both
> >> cases.
> >>
> > IDE is another such device (it was ISA later converted to PCI).
> > As far as I understand your view of UART is the same as mine.
> > It is not a whole device, but only a part of it.
> 
> If we have the same view of the UART then one of us is rather
> misunderstanding the other (could be me).
> 
May be.

> I don't care whether you apply the label "device" to the
> UART, but I definitely want it to be exactly the same kind
> of QEMU "object", in terms of how you implement it and use it,
> as a PCI NE2000 model or an ISA serial card or an ARM-Cortex-A8
> CPU model or a "vexpress-a9" board model.
> 
> As it happens, personally I think "device" is a pretty
> reasonable label to use for all these things, since we're going
> to use it anyway for the QEMU objects which happen to correspond
> to ISA cards or PCI cards or whatever.
> 
I am not arguing with that. The argument is about what devices hierarchy
in QMEU should be, not what to call "device" and what not to.

--
			Gleb.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-09-16 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-14 18:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 18:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 19:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 19:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 21:15     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 22:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:43         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 14:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:38             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 18:01               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 10:12             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-16 13:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:00 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:27     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:37     ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-14 21:25       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15  6:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 10:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:17   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:23     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 14:46     ` John Williams
2011-09-16 16:10       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  1:11         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:12           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:35             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15 13:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:25       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 15:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 16:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:59               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 17:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 20:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:45                     ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 21:15                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:33                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 17:47                         ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-16 18:08                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 18:22                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 18:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 19:13                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 19:29                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 20:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 21:03                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  0:01                                 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-16 18:18                           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2011-09-15 20:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:47                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-17  0:48                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:17                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:29                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:41                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15  6:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:26   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:54       ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 14:18         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:48             ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 15:31             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:47               ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 20:23     ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-15 20:52       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-18  7:56         ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-18 14:00           ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-16  9:36       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-13  4:47 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 13:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 17:40     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 18:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 20:36         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14  0:39             ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14 13:53               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:46                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-15 18:59                 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-15 19:12                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 21:28                     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-16  2:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16  5:11                         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14  9:11             ` Andreas Färber

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