From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50557) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDCFr-0007Dq-85 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:34:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDCFp-0007qJ-Jb for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:34:39 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:29590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDCFp-0007qB-9r for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:34:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:34:30 +0100 From: "Richard W.M. Jones" Message-ID: <20111010093430.GP16799@amd.home.annexia.org> References: <4E8ECA91.8040409@cn.fujitsu.com> <4E8ED167.1000705@siemens.com> <20111008151622.GA17181@amd.home.annexia.org> <4E916035.5050906@web.de> <20111009102338.GN16799@amd.home.annexia.org> <4E92568E.2010507@cn.fujitsu.com> <20111010090825.GG9408@redhat.com> <20111010091021.GH9408@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111010091021.GH9408@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Question] dump memory when host pci device is used by guest List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: "Daniel P. Berrange" Cc: Jan Kiszka , qemu-devel , Luiz Capitulino On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:10:21AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:08:26AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:21:02AM +0800, Wen Congyang wrote: > > > At 10/09/2011 06:23 PM, Richard W.M. Jones Write: > > > > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 10:49:57AM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote: > > > >> As explained in the other replies: It is way more future-proof to use an > > > >> interface for this which was designed for it (remote gdb) instead of > > > >> artificially relaxing reasonable constraints of the migration mechanism > > > >> plus having to follow that format with the post-processing tool. > > > > > > > > Any interface that isn't "get this information off my production > > > > server *now*" so that I can get the server restarted, and send it to > > > > an expert to analyse -- is a poor interface, whether it was designed > > > > like that or not. Perhaps we don't have the right interface at all, > > > > but remote gdb is not it. > > > > > > What about the following idea? > > > > > > Introduce a new monitor command named dump, and this command accepts a filename. > > > We can use almost all migration's code. We use this command to dump guest's > > > memory, so there is no need to check whether the guest has a unmigratable device. > > > > I think it would be a good idea of QEMU had a dedicated 'dump' command > > for this purpose, even if it was just an alias for 'migrate' initially. > > I have never really liked the fact that we abuse the 'migrate' command > > to generate a core dump. The resulting data file from this is more > > complex than it really needs to be, causing complexity for post-processing > > it. The needs of migration, are not entirely aligned with the needs of > > core dumping in the long term, so we should allow the possibility of > > their impls diverging without impacting apps using them. > > > > So adding a 'dump' command which wrote out data in a format that was > > optimized for offline processing by tools like 'crash' (or the windows > > equivalent) would be a good improvement, even if it just reuses the > > migrate code for now. > > The other reason why it would be good, is that we would then have a clearly > defined standard "QEMU dump format", instead of "libvirt dump format for QEMU" Other reasons why this is a good idea: - so you don't need 3 processes doing a dance in order to capture a core dump - so that qemu can initiate a core dump itself (from watchdog events) - so that two qemu processes can do a core dump at the same time without trying to use conflicting ports Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora 11: Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 70 libraries supprt'd http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW http://www.annexia.org/fedora_mingw