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From: Takuya Yoshikawa <takuya.yoshikawa@gmail.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	quintela@redhat.com, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Takuya Yoshikawa <yoshikawa.takuya@oss.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] KVM: Dirty logging optimization using rmap
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:37:47 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111203133747.7994cd7a0a69aebe7a33e9f2@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ED79AAE.8000201@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> That's true.  But some applications do require low latency, and the
> current code can impose a lot of time with the mmu spinlock held.
> 
> The total amount of work actually increases slightly, from O(N) to O(N
> log N), but since the tree is so wide, the overhead is small.
> 

Controlling the latency can be achieved by making the user space limit
the number of dirty pages to scan without hacking the core mmu code.

	The fact that we cannot transfer so many pages on the network at
	once suggests this is reasonable.

With the rmap write protection method in KVM, the only thing we need is
a new GET_DIRTY_LOG api which takes the [gfn_start, gfn_end] to scan,
or max_write_protections optionally.

	I remember that someone suggested splitting the slot at KVM forum.
	Same effect with less effort.

QEMU can also avoid unwanted page faults by using this api wisely.

	E.g. you can use this for "Interactivity improvements" TODO on
	KVM wiki, I think.

Furthermore, QEMU may be able to use multiple threads for the memory
copy task.

	Each thread has its own range of memory to copy, and does
	GET_DIRTY_LOG independently.  This will make things easy to
	add further optimizations in QEMU.

In summary, my impression is that the main cause of the current latency
problem is not the write protection of KVM but the strategy which tries
to cook the large slot in one hand.

What do you think?

	Takuya

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-03  4:37 UTC|newest]

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2011-11-16  8:17       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] KVM: Dirty logging optimization using rmap Takuya Yoshikawa
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2011-11-30  5:02                         ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-11-30  5:15                           ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-12-01 15:18                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-03  4:37                               ` Takuya Yoshikawa [this message]
2011-12-04 10:20                                 ` Avi Kivity

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