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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, aik@ozlabs.ru, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] Device isolation group infrastructure (v3)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:40:55 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120209014055.GB6992@truffala.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120208152748.GD22598@amd.com>

On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 04:27:48PM +0100, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 03:46:52PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> > In order to safely drive a device with a userspace driver, or to pass
> > it through to a guest system, we must first make sure that the device
> > is isolated in such a way that it cannot interfere with other devices
> > on the system.  This isolation is only available on some systems and
> > will generally require an iommu, and might require other support in
> > bridges or other system hardware.
> > 
> > Often, it's not possible to isolate every device from every other
> > device in the system.  For example, certain PCI/PCIe bridge
> > configurations mean that an iommu cannot reliably distinguish which
> > device behind the bridge initiated a DMA transaction.  Similarly some
> > buggy PCI multifunction devices initiate all DMAs as function 0, so
> > the functions cannot be isolated from each other, even if the IOMMU
> > normally allows this.
> > 
> > Therefore, the user, and code to allow userspace drivers or guest
> > passthrough, needs a way to determine which devices can be isolated
> > from which others.  This patch adds infrastructure to handle this by
> > introducing the concept of a "device isolation group" - a group of
> > devices which can, as a unit, be safely isolated from the rest of the
> > system and therefore can be, as a unit, safely assigned to an
> > unprivileged used or guest.  That is, the groups represent the minimum
> > granularity with which devices may be assigned to untrusted
> > components.
> > 
> > This code manages groups, but does not create them or allow use of
> > grouped devices by a guest.  Creating groups would be done by iommu or
> > bridge drivers, using the interface this patch provides.  It's
> > expected that the groups will be used in future by the in-kernel iommu
> > interface, and would also be used by VFIO or other subsystems to allow
> > safe passthrough of devices to userspace or guests.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>
> > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > ---
> >  drivers/base/Kconfig             |    3 +
> >  drivers/base/Makefile            |    1 +
> >  drivers/base/base.h              |    3 +
> >  drivers/base/core.c              |    6 ++
> >  drivers/base/device_isolation.c  |  184 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  drivers/base/init.c              |    2 +
> >  include/linux/device.h           |    5 +
> >  include/linux/device_isolation.h |  100 +++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Again, device grouping is done by the IOMMU drivers, so this all belongs
> into the generic iommu-code rather than the driver core.
> 
> I think it makes sense to introduce a device->iommu pointer which
> depends on CONFIG_IOMMU_API and put the group information into it.
> This also has the benefit that we can consolidate all the
> device->arch.iommu pointers into device->iommu as well.

Well, not quite.  In the two example setups in the subsequent patches
the grouping is done by the bridge driver, which in these cases is not
IOMMU_API aware.  They probably should become so, but that's another
project - and relies on the IOMMU_API becoming group aware.

Note that although iommus are the main source of group constraints,
they're not necessarily the only one. Bridge error isolation semantics
may also play a part, for one.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-09  3:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-01  4:46 [Qemu-devel] RFC: Device isolation groups David Gibson
2012-02-01  4:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] Device isolation group infrastructure (v3) David Gibson
2012-02-08 15:27   ` Joerg Roedel
2012-02-08 21:39     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-09 11:28       ` Joerg Roedel
2012-02-10  0:21         ` David Gibson
2012-02-08 21:43     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-09  1:40     ` David Gibson [this message]
2012-02-01  4:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] device_isolation: Support isolation on POWER p5ioc2 bridges David Gibson
2012-02-01 18:58   ` Alex Williamson
2012-02-01 19:15     ` Alex Williamson
2012-02-01  4:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] device_isolation: Support isolation on POWER p7ioc (IODA) bridges David Gibson
2012-02-01 19:17   ` Alex Williamson
2012-02-02  0:23     ` David Gibson
2012-02-01 20:08 ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: Device isolation groups Alex Williamson
2012-02-02  1:24   ` David Gibson
2012-02-29 19:30     ` Alex Williamson
2012-03-09  3:40       ` David Gibson

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