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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Zhi Yong Wu <zwu.kernel@gmail.com>, Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] oslib: make error handling more reasonable
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:46:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120214124631.GC29982@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201202141242.58685.paul@codesourcery.com>

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:42:58PM +0000, Paul Brook wrote:
> > > abort can create core dumps or start a debugger which is
> > > useful for me and maybe other developers, too.
> > 
> > I consider abort() on OOM somewhat eccentric.  abort() is for
> > programming errors.  Resource shortage is an environmental error that is
> > sometimes (but not always) caused by a programming error.
> > 
> > I'd rather inconvenience programmers (by making it a little bit harder
> > to debug programming errors that cause OOM) than confuse users with
> > inappropriate scary "crashes".
> 
> While I agree that abort() is not the most friendly failure method, I don't 
> tthink it's worth trying to handle OOM gracefully.  Once we hit OOM I'd say 
> we're pretty much beyond hope.  The best thing we can do is exist as quickly 
> as possible.  For the vast majority of systems there isn't any reason to 
> believe things will somehow get better if we try again later.
> 
> Initial guest RAM allocation is maybe a special case worth a polite error.  
> OTOH if you're near the limit then there's a fair chance the -m allocation 
> will succeed, but some later allocation will not.
> 
> The only way to handle this rebustly is to pre-allocate all the memory we're 
> ever going to need[1].  I don't see that happening.

FWIW, users can already opt-in to pre-allocation if running KVM enabled QEMU

   -mem-path /dev/shm  -mem-prealloc   (or /dev/hugepages more usefully)

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-14 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-10 14:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] oslib: make error handling more reasonable Zhi Yong Wu
2012-02-10 14:41 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-10 15:13   ` Zhi Yong Wu
2012-02-10 15:53     ` Stefan Weil
2012-02-13  2:37       ` Zhi Yong Wu
2012-02-13  6:29         ` Stefan Weil
2012-02-13 11:16           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-02-14 12:46             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-14 12:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-13 14:04       ` Markus Armbruster
2012-02-13 14:30         ` Peter Maydell
2012-02-14 12:42         ` Paul Brook
2012-02-14 12:46           ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2012-02-14 13:07             ` Paul Brook
2012-02-14 12:47         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-10 18:35   ` Eric Blake
2012-02-13  2:42     ` Zhi Yong Wu
2012-02-13  9:17     ` Daniel P. Berrange

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