* [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
@ 2011-09-30 10:31 Jan Kiszka
2011-10-14 0:05 ` David Gibson
2012-03-10 6:19 ` Marek Vasut
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kiszka @ 2011-09-30 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel; +Cc: Blue Swirl, David Gibson
We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
refresh timer.
Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
---
vl.c | 13 -------------
1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
diff --git a/vl.c b/vl.c
index 54d4dd9..db5ed7c 100644
--- a/vl.c
+++ b/vl.c
@@ -247,8 +247,6 @@ int nb_numa_nodes;
uint64_t node_mem[MAX_NODES];
uint64_t node_cpumask[MAX_NODES];
-static QEMUTimer *nographic_timer;
-
uint8_t qemu_uuid[16];
static QEMUBootSetHandler *boot_set_handler;
@@ -1221,13 +1219,6 @@ static void gui_update(void *opaque)
qemu_mod_timer(ds->gui_timer, interval + qemu_get_clock_ms(rt_clock));
}
-static void nographic_update(void *opaque)
-{
- uint64_t interval = GUI_REFRESH_INTERVAL;
-
- qemu_mod_timer(nographic_timer, interval + qemu_get_clock_ms(rt_clock));
-}
-
struct vm_change_state_entry {
VMChangeStateHandler *cb;
void *opaque;
@@ -3522,10 +3513,6 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
}
dcl = dcl->next;
}
- if (ds->gui_timer == NULL) {
- nographic_timer = qemu_new_timer_ms(rt_clock, nographic_update, NULL);
- qemu_mod_timer(nographic_timer, qemu_get_clock_ms(rt_clock));
- }
text_consoles_set_display(ds);
if (gdbstub_dev && gdbserver_start(gdbstub_dev) < 0) {
--
1.7.3.4
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2011-09-30 10:31 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer Jan Kiszka
@ 2011-10-14 0:05 ` David Gibson
2011-11-01 20:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10 6:19 ` Marek Vasut
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: David Gibson @ 2011-10-14 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
> refresh timer.
These don't seem to have gone in yet, any word on their progress? KVM
exits are *really* expensive on powerpc, so this represents a
significant performance problem for us. I'm hoping this can make the
freeze.
--
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2011-10-14 0:05 ` David Gibson
@ 2011-11-01 20:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-01 20:15 ` Blue Swirl
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Anthony Liguori @ 2011-11-01 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka, qemu-devel, Blue Swirl
On 10/13/2011 07:05 PM, David Gibson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>> refresh timer.
>
> These don't seem to have gone in yet, any word on their progress? KVM
> exits are *really* expensive on powerpc, so this represents a
> significant performance problem for us. I'm hoping this can make the
> freeze.
>
Jan, can you resubmit if needed? I don't have 1/2.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2011-11-01 20:10 ` Anthony Liguori
@ 2011-11-01 20:15 ` Blue Swirl
2011-11-01 20:20 ` Anthony Liguori
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Blue Swirl @ 2011-11-01 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anthony Liguori; +Cc: Jan Kiszka, qemu-devel
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 20:10, Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> On 10/13/2011 07:05 PM, David Gibson wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>
>>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>>> refresh timer.
>>
>> These don't seem to have gone in yet, any word on their progress? KVM
>> exits are *really* expensive on powerpc, so this represents a
>> significant performance problem for us. I'm hoping this can make the
>> freeze.
>>
>
> Jan, can you resubmit if needed? I don't have 1/2.
These are already in, see
9870a5e6cd3df584328728b3d822b23cee28c561 and
e9a07334fb6ee08ddd61787c102d36e7e781efef.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori
>
>
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2011-11-01 20:15 ` Blue Swirl
@ 2011-11-01 20:20 ` Anthony Liguori
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Anthony Liguori @ 2011-11-01 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Blue Swirl; +Cc: Jan Kiszka, qemu-devel
On 11/01/2011 03:15 PM, Blue Swirl wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 20:10, Anthony Liguori<aliguori@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> On 10/13/2011 07:05 PM, David Gibson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>>>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>>>> refresh timer.
>>>
>>> These don't seem to have gone in yet, any word on their progress? KVM
>>> exits are *really* expensive on powerpc, so this represents a
>>> significant performance problem for us. I'm hoping this can make the
>>> freeze.
>>>
>>
>> Jan, can you resubmit if needed? I don't have 1/2.
>
> These are already in, see
> 9870a5e6cd3df584328728b3d822b23cee28c561 and
> e9a07334fb6ee08ddd61787c102d36e7e781efef.
Thanks. Guess I should have looked first.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Anthony Liguori
>>
>>
>
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2011-09-30 10:31 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer Jan Kiszka
2011-10-14 0:05 ` David Gibson
@ 2012-03-10 6:19 ` Marek Vasut
2012-03-10 10:44 ` Jan Kiszka
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Marek Vasut @ 2012-03-10 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: qemu-devel; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Jan Kiszka, Anthony Liguori, David Gibson
Dear Jan Kiszka,
> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
> refresh timer.
>
> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
> ---
> vl.c | 13 -------------
> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2 platform. The
serial console became very slow, but only when I type something in. The output
from the device to the console is ok. After reverting this particular one, the
console behaves normally.
Thanks for your help!
Best regards,
Marek Vasut
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-10 6:19 ` Marek Vasut
@ 2012-03-10 10:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-11 23:39 ` Marek Vasut
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kiszka @ 2012-03-10 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marek Vasut; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel, David Gibson
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On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>
>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>> refresh timer.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
>> ---
>> vl.c | 13 -------------
>> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
>
> This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2 platform. The
> serial console became very slow, but only when I type something in. The output
> from the device to the console is ok. After reverting this particular one, the
> console behaves normally.
Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test image?
Jan
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-10 10:44 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2012-03-11 23:39 ` Marek Vasut
2012-03-15 18:12 ` Marek Vasut
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Marek Vasut @ 2012-03-11 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel, David Gibson
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Dear Jan Kiszka,
> On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
> > Dear Jan Kiszka,
> >
> >> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
> >> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
> >> refresh timer.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> vl.c | 13 -------------
> >> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
> >
> > This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2
> > platform. The serial console became very slow, but only when I type
> > something in. The output from the device to the console is ok. After
> > reverting this particular one, the console behaves normally.
>
> Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
> bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test image?
>
> Jan
qemu-system-arm -M z2 -pflash flash.img -serial null -serial null -serial stdio
-display none
flash.img attached (XZ-ed)
Best regards,
Marek Vasut
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-11 23:39 ` Marek Vasut
@ 2012-03-15 18:12 ` Marek Vasut
2012-03-15 21:53 ` Jan Kiszka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Marek Vasut @ 2012-03-15 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel, David Gibson
Dear Marek Vasut,
> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>
> > On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
> > > Dear Jan Kiszka,
> > >
> > >> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
> > >> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
> > >> refresh timer.
> > >>
> > >> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> vl.c | 13 -------------
> > >> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2
> > > platform. The serial console became very slow, but only when I type
> > > something in. The output from the device to the console is ok. After
> > > reverting this particular one, the console behaves normally.
> >
> > Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
> > bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test
> > image?
> >
> > Jan
>
> qemu-system-arm -M z2 -pflash flash.img -serial null -serial null -serial
> stdio -display none
>
> flash.img attached (XZ-ed)
>
Bump?
Best regards,
Marek Vasut
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-15 18:12 ` Marek Vasut
@ 2012-03-15 21:53 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-16 0:52 ` Marek Vasut
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kiszka @ 2012-03-15 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marek Vasut; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel
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On 2012-03-15 19:12, Marek Vasut wrote:
> Dear Marek Vasut,
>
>> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>>
>>> On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
>>>> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>>>>
>>>>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>>>>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>>>>> refresh timer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> vl.c | 13 -------------
>>>>> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2
>>>> platform. The serial console became very slow, but only when I type
>>>> something in. The output from the device to the console is ok. After
>>>> reverting this particular one, the console behaves normally.
>>>
>>> Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
>>> bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test
>>> image?
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>> qemu-system-arm -M z2 -pflash flash.img -serial null -serial null -serial
>> stdio -display none
>>
>> flash.img attached (XZ-ed)
>>
>
> Bump?
I had a brief look: The guest is apparently polling the uart, IRQ
delivery is disabled. But it also receives no timer ticks. I haven't
checked how it progresses, maybe there is some loop counter used.
What's the origin of this test image? Have you checked it works properly
on real silicon? I do not know how this platform looks like in reality,
how it should behave and should be programmed (by the guest), so I
really can't compare and analyze, sorry.
Jan
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-15 21:53 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2012-03-16 0:52 ` Marek Vasut
2012-03-16 8:17 ` Jan Kiszka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Marek Vasut @ 2012-03-16 0:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel
Dear Jan Kiszka,
> On 2012-03-15 19:12, Marek Vasut wrote:
> > Dear Marek Vasut,
> >
> >> Dear Jan Kiszka,
> >>
> >>> On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
> >>>> Dear Jan Kiszka,
> >>>>
> >>>>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
> >>>>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
> >>>>> refresh timer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>
> >>>>> vl.c | 13 -------------
> >>>>> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2
> >>>> platform. The serial console became very slow, but only when I type
> >>>> something in. The output from the device to the console is ok. After
> >>>> reverting this particular one, the console behaves normally.
> >>>
> >>> Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
> >>> bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test
> >>> image?
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>
> >> qemu-system-arm -M z2 -pflash flash.img -serial null -serial null
> >> -serial stdio -display none
> >>
> >> flash.img attached (XZ-ed)
> >
> > Bump?
>
> I had a brief look: The guest is apparently polling the uart, IRQ
> delivery is disabled.
Yes, it is.
> But it also receives no timer ticks. I haven't
> checked how it progresses, maybe there is some loop counter used.
What do you mean? How does the timer implementation in pxa-uboot work? udelay()
calls on the guest (pxa-uboot) simply poll the timer until it reaches certain
value. There's no paralelism going on at all.
>
> What's the origin of this test image? Have you checked it works properly
> on real silicon?
Yep.
> I do not know how this platform looks like in reality,
> how it should behave and should be programmed (by the guest), so I
> really can't compare and analyze, sorry.
I'm the maintainer, nice to meet you ;-) Real silicon is a small clamshell pc-
like device. But this breaks all xscale stuff in qemu.
>
> Jan
Best regards,
Marek Vasut
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-16 0:52 ` Marek Vasut
@ 2012-03-16 8:17 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-16 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kiszka @ 2012-03-16 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marek Vasut; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel
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On 2012-03-16 01:52, Marek Vasut wrote:
> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>
>> On 2012-03-15 19:12, Marek Vasut wrote:
>>> Dear Marek Vasut,
>>>
>>>> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-03-10 07:19, Marek Vasut wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Jan Kiszka,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We flush coalesced MMIO in the device models now, and VNC - for which
>>>>>>> this was once introduced - is also fine without it as it has its own
>>>>>>> refresh timer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vl.c | 13 -------------
>>>>>>> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This patch seems to break QEMU/PXA emulation for me on the ZipitZ2
>>>>>> platform. The serial console became very slow, but only when I type
>>>>>> something in. The output from the device to the console is ok. After
>>>>>> reverting this particular one, the console behaves normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Removing that timer removal likely just revealed some formerly hidden
>>>>> bug. Can you share the command line used for starting and some test
>>>>> image?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> qemu-system-arm -M z2 -pflash flash.img -serial null -serial null
>>>> -serial stdio -display none
>>>>
>>>> flash.img attached (XZ-ed)
>>>
>>> Bump?
>>
>> I had a brief look: The guest is apparently polling the uart, IRQ
>> delivery is disabled.
>
> Yes, it is.
>
>> But it also receives no timer ticks. I haven't
>> checked how it progresses, maybe there is some loop counter used.
>
> What do you mean? How does the timer implementation in pxa-uboot work? udelay()
> calls on the guest (pxa-uboot) simply poll the timer until it reaches certain
> value. There's no paralelism going on at all.
I'm starting to understand the issue: The serial port can only accept a
single byte. Once this arrived, serial_can_receive1 returns 0, and the
backend fd is not longer polled by the io-thread. This should change
again as soon as the guest read that byte. But qemu_chr_accept_input,
which is properly called by the serial device, didn't kick the io-thread
in some way. I solved it this way now:
diff --git a/qemu-char.c b/qemu-char.c
index 9a5be75..a589a84 100644
--- a/qemu-char.c
+++ b/qemu-char.c
@@ -177,6 +177,7 @@ void qemu_chr_accept_input(CharDriverState *s)
{
if (s->chr_accept_input)
s->chr_accept_input(s);
+ qemu_notify_event();
}
void qemu_chr_fe_printf(CharDriverState *s, const char *fmt, ...)
But I'm not yet sure if this is correct. Comments welcome!
Jan
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Drop obsolete nographic timer
2012-03-16 8:17 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2012-03-16 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Paolo Bonzini @ 2012-03-16 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: Blue Swirl, Marek Vasut, Anthony Liguori, qemu-devel
Il 16/03/2012 09:17, Jan Kiszka ha scritto:
> I'm starting to understand the issue: The serial port can only accept a
> single byte. Once this arrived, serial_can_receive1 returns 0, and the
> backend fd is not longer polled by the io-thread. This should change
> again as soon as the guest read that byte. But qemu_chr_accept_input,
> which is properly called by the serial device, didn't kick the io-thread
> in some way. I solved it this way now:
>
> diff --git a/qemu-char.c b/qemu-char.c
> index 9a5be75..a589a84 100644
> --- a/qemu-char.c
> +++ b/qemu-char.c
> @@ -177,6 +177,7 @@ void qemu_chr_accept_input(CharDriverState *s)
> {
> if (s->chr_accept_input)
> s->chr_accept_input(s);
> + qemu_notify_event();
> }
>
> void qemu_chr_fe_printf(CharDriverState *s, const char *fmt, ...)
>
>
> But I'm not yet sure if this is correct. Comments welcome!
I think so. qemu_chr_accept_input signals that qemu_chr_be_can_write
could have changed, which means that the can_read handler could have
changed and has to be reevaluated. qemu_notify_event is the right way
to do so.
Paolo
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