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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>,
	"arch@ovirt.org" <arch@ovirt.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:53:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120312135338.GE2304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120312135018.GI20867@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 01:50:18PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:15:32PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 01:04:19PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:52:27AM -0300, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:12:58AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > > > > On 03/11/2012 08:27 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > > > >On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:24:47PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > > > > >>Let's step back here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Why are you writing these patches?  It's probably not because you
> > > > > >>have a desire to say -cpu Westmere when you run QEMU on your laptop.
> > > > > >>I'd wager to say that no human has ever done that or that if they
> > > > > >>had, they did so by accident because they read documentation and
> > > > > >>thought they had to.
> > > > 
> > > > No, it's because libvirt doesn't handle all the tiny small details
> > > > involved in specifying a CPU. All libvirty knows about are a set of CPU
> > > > flag bits, but it knows nothing about 'level', 'family', and 'xlevel',
> > > > but we would like to allow it to expose a Westmere-like CPU to the
> > > > guest.
> > > 
> > > This is easily fixable in libvirt - so for the point of going discussion,
> > > IMHO, we can assume libvirt will support level, family, xlevel, etc.
> > > 
> > And fill in all cpuid leafs by querying /dev/kvm when needed or, if TCG
> > is used, replicating QEMU logic? And since QEMU should be usable without
> > libvirt the same logic should be implemented in QEMU anyway.
> 
> I'm not refering to that. I'm saying that any data QEMU has in its
> config file (/etc/qemu/target-x86_64.conf) should be represented
> in the libvirt CPU XML. family, model, stepping, xlevel and
> model_id are currently in QEMU CPU configs, but not in libvirt XML,
> which is something we will fix. The other issues you mention are
> completely independant of that.
> 
Eduardo is going to extend what can be configured in /etc/qemu/target-x86_64.conf
and make CPU models name per machine type. What QEMU has now is not
good enough. I doubt libvirt goal is to be as bad as QEMU :)

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-12 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-15 14:54 [Qemu-devel] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt Jiri Denemark
2011-12-15 14:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 15:30   ` Jiri Denemark
2011-12-18 10:07     ` Dor Laor
2011-12-15 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-12-18  9:58   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-09 20:56     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-09 21:04       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-09 21:15         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10  4:37           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-11 11:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-10 12:42         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-10 15:58           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-10 18:24             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10 18:37               ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-10 22:39               ` Doug Goldstein
2012-03-11  0:55               ` Andrew Cathrow
2012-03-11 13:27               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:12                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 14:56                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:16                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 14:48                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 15:16                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 15:49                         ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 16:50                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 17:41                             ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:47                               ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 17:53                                 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:55                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 17:59                                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-12 17:52                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 18:30                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 18:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 18:53                       ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:01                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:12                           ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:50                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 20:00                               ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 20:19                               ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-13  8:32                                 ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-14  0:11                                   ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-12 12:52                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:04                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:15                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:32                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:34                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:50                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:53                           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2012-03-12 13:55                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 14:01                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:21                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:06                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-11 12:41             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:16               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 15:12                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:27                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:08                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-13 14:53                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22  9:32                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 13:31                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 14:30                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 15:50                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-25 10:19                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:09                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:06                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:34                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:00                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 16:37                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22 17:14                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 20:01                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25  9:49                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 12:55                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:08                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:14                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:22                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:34                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:36                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:59                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:16                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:26                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:40                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:11                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-26  9:08                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26  9:53                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 19:03                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:55                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 16:34                                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 11:24                                                         ` Jiri Denemark
2012-03-26 11:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 12:03                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:14                                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 19:04                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:58                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:07                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:18                                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:30                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:45                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:01                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 18:09                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 19:00                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 18:59       ` Eduardo Habkost

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