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From: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, Corey Bryant <coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, eblake@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:00:37 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120709160037.66fdda12@doriath.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FFB25A2.1010303@us.ibm.com>

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:40:34 -0500
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> On 06/26/2012 04:10 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 02:36:07PM -0400, Corey Bryant wrote:
> >> libvirt's sVirt security driver provides SELinux MAC isolation for
> >> Qemu guest processes and their corresponding image files.  In other
> >> words, sVirt uses SELinux to prevent a QEMU process from opening
> >> files that do not belong to it.
> >>
> >> sVirt provides this support by labeling guests and resources with
> >> security labels that are stored in file system extended attributes.
> >> Some file systems, such as NFS, do not support the extended
> >> attribute security namespace, and therefore cannot support sVirt
> >> isolation.
> >>
> >> A solution to this problem is to provide fd passing support, where
> >> libvirt opens files and passes file descriptors to QEMU.  This,
> >> along with SELinux policy to prevent QEMU from opening files, can
> >> provide image file isolation for NFS files stored on the same NFS
> >> mount.
> >>
> >> This patch series adds the pass-fd QMP monitor command, which allows
> >> an fd to be passed via SCM_RIGHTS, and returns the received file
> >> descriptor.  Support is also added to the block layer to allow QEMU
> >> to dup the fd when the filename is of the /dev/fd/X format.  This
> >> is useful if MAC policy prevents QEMU from opening specific types
> >> of files.
> >
> > I was thinking about some of the sources complexity when using
> > FD passing from libvirt and wanted to raise one idea for discussion
> > before we continue.
> >
> > With this proposed series, we have usage akin to:
> >
> >    1. pass_fd FDSET={M} ->  returns a string "/dev/fd/N" showing QEMU's
> >       view of the FD
> >    2. drive_add file=/dev/fd/N
> >    3. if failure:
> >         close_fd "/dev/fd/N"
> >
> > My problem is that none of this FD passing is "transactional".
> 
> My original patch series did not suffer from this problem.
> 
> QEMU owned the file descriptor once it received it from libvirt.
> 
> I don't think the cited problem (QEMU failing an operation if libvirt was down) 
> is really an actual problem since it would be libvirt that would be issuing the 
> command in the first place (so the command would just fail which libvirt would 
> have to assume anyway if it crashed).
> 
> I really dislike where this thread has headed with /dev/fdset.  This has become 
> extremely complex and cumbersome.

I agree, maybe it's time to start over and discuss the original problem again.

> 
> Perhaps we should reconsider using an RPC for QEMU to request an fd as this 
> solves all the cited problems in a much simpler fashion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anthony Liguori
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-09 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-22 18:36 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/7] qemu-char: Add MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC flag to recvmsg Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 19:31   ` Eric Blake
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 2/7] qapi: Convert getfd and closefd Corey Bryant
2012-07-11 18:51   ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/7] qapi: Add pass-fd QMP command Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 20:24   ` Eric Blake
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 4/7] qapi: Re-arrange monitor.c functions Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 5/7] block: Prevent /dev/fd/X filename from being detected as floppy Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 6/7] block: Convert open calls to qemu_open Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 7/7] osdep: Enable qemu_open to dup pre-opened fd Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 19:58   ` Eric Blake
     [not found] ` <20120626091004.GA14451@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <4FE9A0F0.2050809@redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <20120626175045.2c7011b3@doriath.home>
     [not found]       ` <4FEA37A9.10707@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <4FEA3D9C.8080205@redhat.com>
2012-07-02 22:02           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd Corey Bryant
2012-07-02 22:31             ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03  9:07               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-07-03  9:40               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-03 13:42               ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 15:40             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 15:59               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-03 16:25                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 17:03                   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03 17:46                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 18:00                       ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03 18:21                         ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-04  8:09                           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 15:06                             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 14:05                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 15:05                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 15:46                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 16:18                                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 17:59                                       ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 17:35                                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 17:48                                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 18:02                                         ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-10  7:53                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 18:20                                   ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-04  8:00                     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 14:22                       ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-05 14:51                         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 16:35                           ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-05 16:37                             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06  9:06                               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 17:00                             ` Eric Blake
2012-07-05 17:36                               ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06  9:11                               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-06 17:14                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 17:15                                   ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 17:40                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 18:19                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 14:04                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 15:23                                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 15:30                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 18:40   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-09 19:00     ` Luiz Capitulino [this message]
2012-07-10  8:54       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-07-10  7:58     ` Kevin Wolf

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