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From: Alon Levy <alevy@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Cirrus bugs vs endian: how two bugs cancel each other out
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:20:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120731082011.GP29361@garlic.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87obmx491u.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 09:29:01AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> >>> Virtio makes sense for qxl, but for now we have the original pci model
> >>> which I don't see a reason why it can't work for ppc.
> >> 
> >> I'm sure it can work for PPC given enough effort.  But I think the
> >> question becomes, why not invest that effort in moving qxl to the
> >> standard transport that the rest of our PV devices use.
> >
> > The drm drivers for the current model are needed anyway; so moving to
> > virtio is extra effort, not an alternative.
> 
> This is just a point in time statement.  If we were serious about using
> virtio then we could quickly introduce a virtio transport and only
> target the DRM drivers at the virtio transport.
> 
> > Note virtio doesn't support mapping framebuffers yet
> 
> Yes.  I haven't seen a good proposal yet on how to handle this.  I think
> this is the main problem to solve.

The only thing I can add here is perhaps we could use scatter-gather
lists of pages instead of large framebuffer. When just passing commands
from guest->host->client this would mean guests constructs list -> host
reads from list to socket -> client unchanged. For rendering locally on
the host (client wants a screenshot, host wants a screenshot) this would
be a lot of work, basically having a non linear framebuffer version of
pixman. The upside is that you don't need to modify virtio and can use
guest ram.

> 
> > or the entire vga compatibility stuff
> 
> This is actually independent of virtio.  A virtio-pci device could
> expose it's class code as a VGA adapter and also handle I/O accesses for
> the legacy region.  This is strictly a PC-ism.
> 
> For non-virtio-pci versions of the device, the legacy I/O area would not exist.
> 
> > so the pc-oriented card will have to be a mix of
> > virtio and stdvga multiplexed on one pci card (maybe two functions, but
> > I'd rather avoid that).
> 
> Yes.  We could modify stdvga to expose the VGA ram area as the second
> bar and make the first bar a virtio-pci compatible area.  This would
> require modifying the VGA bios to understand the change but otherwise,
> should be compatible.
> 
> It would take modeling VGACommonState as a proper device and then it's a
> pretty simple process of embedding a VGACommonState within a virtio-pci
> device.  It should work fairly well.
> 
> It gets a little complicated in terms of who owns the DisplayState but
> that's a solvable problem.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anthony Liguori
> 
> >
> > -- 
> > error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-31  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-30  6:24 [Qemu-devel] Cirrus bugs vs endian: how two bugs cancel each other out Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 10:08 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 11:20   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 11:25     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 11:54       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 11:58         ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 12:08           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 12:15             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 12:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 16:24             ` Alon Levy
2012-07-30 20:19               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-30 22:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-31  8:10                 ` Alon Levy
2012-08-01 14:35                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-06 12:57             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-07-30 13:18           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-30 13:30             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 13:45               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-30 13:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 14:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-30 14:36                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 16:01                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-30 23:47                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-31  3:16                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-08-06 14:02                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-06 21:13                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-08-01 23:29                         ` Andreas Färber
2012-08-06 13:47                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-06 14:35                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-31  8:20                     ` Alon Levy [this message]
2012-07-30 22:15                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-31  0:17                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-31  3:26                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-08-06 13:20             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-06 21:16               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-08-07  5:30                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-07  6:07                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-30 16:19         ` Alon Levy
2012-08-01 15:42           ` Andreas Färber
2012-08-01 19:22             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-03  6:45               ` Alon Levy
2012-08-03 13:41                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-08-07  7:00                   ` Alon Levy
2012-08-07  8:01                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-07 13:05                       ` Erlon Cruz
2012-08-07 14:07                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-07 19:43                           ` Erlon Cruz
2012-08-08  6:18                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-08 14:14                               ` Erlon Cruz
2012-08-09  6:17                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-07-30 15:18 ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-30 15:30   ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-30 15:44     ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-31  8:44 ` ronnie sahlberg
2012-07-31 10:30   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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