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From: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Scott Moser" <smoser@ubuntu.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"Michael Tokarev" <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Bruce Rogers" <brogers@suse.com>, "Avi Kivity" <avi@redhat.com>,
	"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	"Cole Robinson" <crobinso@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Set default accelerator to "kvm" if the host supports it
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:15:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121002081502.GI4623@ohm.aurel32.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zk4571vf.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 09:46:12AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 06:43:00PM +0200, Andreas Färber wrote:
> >> Hello Jan,
> >> 
> >> Am 01.10.2012 16:34, schrieb Jan Kiszka:
> >> > If we built a target for a host that supports KVM in principle, set the
> >> > default accelerator to KVM as well. This also means the start of QEMU
> >> > will fail to start if KVM support turns out to be unavailable at
> >> > runtime.
> >> 
> >> From a distro point of view this of course means that we will build
> >> against KVM and that the new KVM default will start to fail for users on
> >> very old hardware. Can't we do a runtime check to select the default?
> >
> > NB, this is *not* only about old hardware. There are plenty of users who
> > use QEMU inside VMs. One very common usage I know of is image building
> > tools which are run inside Amazon VMs, using libguestfs & QEMU.
> >
> > IMHO, default to KVM, fallback to TCG is the most friendly default
> > behaviour.
> 
> Friendly perhaps, generating an infinite series of questions "why is my
> guest slow as molasses?" certainly.
> 
> And for each instance of the question, there's an unknown number of
> users who give QEMU a quick try, screw up KVM unknowingly, observe the
> glacial speed, and conclude it's crap.
> 

That's why it should not fallback silently to TCG, but warn the user
about that.

On the other hand, on a machine without KVM support (which might just be
because of local policy admin policy which doesn't provide access the 
/dev/kvm, nested virtualization, etc.), if QEMU fails to start (while
previous versions were working), the user can conclude that QEMU is
crap.

-- 
Aurelien Jarno                          GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73
aurelien@aurel32.net                 http://www.aurel32.net

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-02  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-10-01 13:19       ` [Qemu-devel] qemu-kvm: remove "boot=on|off" drive parameter compatibility Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 13:26         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03  9:55           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-03 10:06             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03 10:11               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-03 10:57             ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-03 13:19               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-03 13:27                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-04 10:48                 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-04 12:10                   ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-04 12:27                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-04 17:21                       ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-04 17:24                         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:31         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-10-01 13:36           ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:44             ` Michael Tokarev
2012-10-01 13:48               ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:38         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 13:46           ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 14:04           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 14:34             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Set default accelerator to "kvm" if the host supports it Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 16:20               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 16:56                 ` Aurelien Jarno
2012-10-03  9:02                 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03 20:01                 ` Blue Swirl
2012-10-03 20:26                   ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-05  1:15                     ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-05  2:17                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-05  2:24                         ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-05  8:15                           ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-08 14:03                           ` Andreas Färber
2012-10-08 14:08                             ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-01 16:43               ` Andreas Färber
2012-10-01 16:47                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-10-01 19:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 19:25                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 20:07                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-02  7:46                   ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-02  8:15                     ` Aurelien Jarno [this message]
2012-10-03  6:58                     ` Michael Tokarev
2012-10-03  9:05                       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 14:07         ` [Qemu-devel] qemu-kvm: remove "boot=on|off" drive parameter compatibility Alexander Graf
2012-10-01 14:20           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 15:39         ` Bruce Rogers
2012-10-02  8:14         ` Daniel P. Berrange

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