From: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Scott Moser" <smoser@ubuntu.com>,
"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
"Michael Tokarev" <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Bruce Rogers" <brogers@suse.com>, "Avi Kivity" <avi@redhat.com>,
"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
"Cole Robinson" <crobinso@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Set default accelerator to "kvm" if the host supports it
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:15:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121002081502.GI4623@ohm.aurel32.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zk4571vf.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 09:46:12AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 06:43:00PM +0200, Andreas Färber wrote:
> >> Hello Jan,
> >>
> >> Am 01.10.2012 16:34, schrieb Jan Kiszka:
> >> > If we built a target for a host that supports KVM in principle, set the
> >> > default accelerator to KVM as well. This also means the start of QEMU
> >> > will fail to start if KVM support turns out to be unavailable at
> >> > runtime.
> >>
> >> From a distro point of view this of course means that we will build
> >> against KVM and that the new KVM default will start to fail for users on
> >> very old hardware. Can't we do a runtime check to select the default?
> >
> > NB, this is *not* only about old hardware. There are plenty of users who
> > use QEMU inside VMs. One very common usage I know of is image building
> > tools which are run inside Amazon VMs, using libguestfs & QEMU.
> >
> > IMHO, default to KVM, fallback to TCG is the most friendly default
> > behaviour.
>
> Friendly perhaps, generating an infinite series of questions "why is my
> guest slow as molasses?" certainly.
>
> And for each instance of the question, there's an unknown number of
> users who give QEMU a quick try, screw up KVM unknowingly, observe the
> glacial speed, and conclude it's crap.
>
That's why it should not fallback silently to TCG, but warn the user
about that.
On the other hand, on a machine without KVM support (which might just be
because of local policy admin policy which doesn't provide access the
/dev/kvm, nested virtualization, etc.), if QEMU fails to start (while
previous versions were working), the user can conclude that QEMU is
crap.
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2012-10-01 13:19 ` [Qemu-devel] qemu-kvm: remove "boot=on|off" drive parameter compatibility Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 13:26 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03 9:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-03 10:06 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03 10:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-03 10:57 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-03 13:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-03 13:27 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-10-04 10:48 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-04 12:10 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-04 12:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-04 17:21 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-10-04 17:24 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-10-01 13:36 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:44 ` Michael Tokarev
2012-10-01 13:48 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 13:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 13:46 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 14:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Set default accelerator to "kvm" if the host supports it Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 16:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 16:56 ` Aurelien Jarno
2012-10-03 9:02 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-03 20:01 ` Blue Swirl
2012-10-03 20:26 ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-05 1:15 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-05 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-05 2:24 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-05 8:15 ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-08 14:03 ` Andreas Färber
2012-10-08 14:08 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-01 16:43 ` Andreas Färber
2012-10-01 16:47 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-10-01 19:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-01 19:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-02 7:46 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-02 8:15 ` Aurelien Jarno [this message]
2012-10-03 6:58 ` Michael Tokarev
2012-10-03 9:05 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-10-01 14:07 ` [Qemu-devel] qemu-kvm: remove "boot=on|off" drive parameter compatibility Alexander Graf
2012-10-01 14:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-01 15:39 ` Bruce Rogers
2012-10-02 8:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange
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