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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] RFC: Efficient VM backup for qemu (v1)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:12:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121122111211.GH7598@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1353488464-82756-1-git-send-email-dietmar@proxmox.com>

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:01:00AM +0100, Dietmar Maurer wrote:
> +==Disadvantages==
> +
> +* we need to define a new archive format
> +
> +Note: Most existing archive formats are optimized to store small files
> +including file attributes. We simply do not need that for VM archives.

Did you look at the VMDK "Stream-Optimized Compressed" subformat?

http://www.vmware.com/support/developer/vddk/vmdk_50_technote.pdf?src=vmdk

It is a stream of compressed "grains" (data).  They are out-of-order and
each grain comes with the virtual disk lba where the data should be
visible to the guest.

The stream also contains "grain tables" and "grain directories".  This
metadata makes random read access to the file possible once you have
downloaded the entire file (i.e. it is seekable).  Although tools can
choose to consume the stream in sequential order too and ignore the
metadata.

In other words, the format is an out-of-order stream of data chunks plus
random access lookup tables at the end.

QEMU's block/vmdk.c already has some support for this format although I
don't think we generate out-of-order yet.

The benefit of reusing this code is that existing tools can consume
these files.

Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-22 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-21  9:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] RFC: Efficient VM backup for qemu (v1) Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21  9:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] add basic backup support to block driver Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 11:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 11:29     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  8:56     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21  9:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] introduce new vma archive format Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 16:06   ` Eric Blake
2012-11-21 17:56     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21  9:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] add backup related monitor commands Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 16:16   ` Eric Blake
2012-11-21 17:59     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 18:49     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21  9:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] add regression tests for backup Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 10:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] RFC: Efficient VM backup for qemu (v1) Kevin Wolf
2012-11-21 11:10   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 12:37     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-21 13:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-23  7:42         ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:18           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-23  9:28             ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  8:12         ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:01           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:05             ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:15               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-23  9:17                 ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:55               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-23 10:55                 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-11-21 13:25       ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 13:58         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-21 15:47           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  7:38       ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:08         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-23  9:21           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  9:31             ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23 10:29               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-26  5:51                 ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-26 12:07                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-27  6:20                     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-27  7:15                       ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-27  8:48                         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-11-27 10:24                           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-21 11:23   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 11:12 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2012-11-22 11:26   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 12:44     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 12:55       ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 15:30         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 15:58           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 17:02             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 17:34               ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 11:40   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 15:42     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 12:00   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 15:45     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 15:56       ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 16:37         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 12:03   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 17:16   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 17:46     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  5:23       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-23  5:25         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-23  6:18           ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  6:13         ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 17:50     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  5:21       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-22 18:05     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-23  5:19       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-11-23  6:05         ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-22 18:15     ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-27 10:09 ` Wenchao Xia
2012-11-27 10:37   ` Dietmar Maurer
2012-11-28  9:39     ` Wenchao Xia
2012-11-28 11:08       ` Dietmar Maurer

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