Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC V4 00/30] QCOW2 deduplication

["Benoît Canet" <benoit.canet@irqsave.net>]

Le Wednesday 02 Jan 2013 à 10:47:48 (-0800), ronnie sahlberg a écrit :
> Do you really need to resolve the conflicts?
> It might be easier and sufficient to just flag those hashes where a
> conflict has been detected as : "dont dedup this hash anymore,
> collissions have been seen."

True, that's more elegant.
The user would still need to specify the verify option at creation
and it would require to do a read before verify but it would not make
the qcow2 format uglier.

> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Benoît Canet <benoit.canet@irqsave.net> wrote:
> > Le Wednesday 02 Jan 2013 à 12:26:37 (-0600), Troy Benjegerdes a écrit :
> >> The probability may be 'low' but it is not zero. Just because it's
> >> hard to calculate the hash doesn't mean you can't do it. If your
> >> input data is not random the probability of a hash collision is
> >> going to get scewed.
> >>
> >> Read about how Bitcoin uses hashes.
> >>
> >> I need a budget of around $10,000 or so for some FPGAs and/or GPU cards,
> >> and I can make a regression test that will create deduplication hash
> >> collisions on purpose.
> >
> > It's not a problem as Eric pointed out while reviewing the previous patchset
> > there is a small place left with zeroes on the deduplication block.
> > A bit could be set on it when a collision is detected and an offset could point
> > to a cluster used to resolve collisions.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 06:33:24PM +0100, Beno?t Canet wrote:
> >> > > How does this code handle hash collisions, and do you have some regression
> >> > > tests that purposefully create a dedup hash collision, and verify that the
> >> > > 'right thing' happens?
> >> >
> >> > The two hash function that can be used are cryptographics and not broken yet.
> >> > So nobody knows how to generate a collision.
> >> >
> >> > You can do the math to calculate the probability of collision using a 256 bit
> >> > hash while processing 1EiB of data the result is so low you can consider it
> >> > won't happen.
> >> > The sha256 ZFS deduplication works the same way regarding collisions.
> >> >
> >> > I currently use qemu-io-test for testing purpose and iozone with the -w flag in
> >> > the guest.
> >> > I would like to find a good deduplication stress test to run in a guest.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Beno?t
> >> >
> >> > > It's great that this almost works, but it seems rather dangerous to put
> >> > > something like this into the mainline code without some regression tests.
> >> > >
> >> > > (I'm also suspecting the regression test will be a great way to find
> >> > > flakey hardware)
> >> > >
> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > Troy Benjegerdes                'da hozer'                 hozer@hozed.org
> >> > >
> >> > > Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/)
> >> > > software & hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job.
> >> > > Charles Shultz had the best answer:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it
> >> > > because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why
> >> > > I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz
> >>
> >> --
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Troy Benjegerdes                'da hozer'                 hozer@hozed.org
> >>
> >> Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/)
> >> software & hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job.
> >> Charles Shultz had the best answer:
> >>
> >> "Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it
> >> because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why
> >> I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz
> >>
> >