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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, e.voevodin@samsung.com,
	mark.burton@greensocs.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	stefanha@redhat.com, cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, afaerber@suse.de,
	"KONRAD Frédéric" <fred.konrad@greensocs.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 0/6] Virtio refactoring.
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 22:49:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130107204938.GB10575@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA90osxHBxTosXUB2Xo7xO-Fj0Nm7+FphL60w9Pn_g-J0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:02:32PM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 7 January 2013 19:58, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:30:20PM +0100, KONRAD Frédéric wrote:
> >> The modifications will be transparent to the user, as we will keep
> >> virtio-x-pci devices.
> >
> > Then what's the point of all this?
> >
> > -device virtio-pci,id=transport1 -device virtio-net,bus=transport1
> >
> > or
> >
> > -device virtio-mmio,id=transport1 -device virtio-net,bus=transport1
> >
> > Is simply an insane way to create a network device.
> 
> 1. You wouldn't create the virtio-mmio transport on the command line,
> the machine model does it (it has to because it's a sysbus device
> and it needs the address/irq lines wiring up properly), so it's just
>  "-device virtio-net" (and let qemu find the bus automatically)

Bus auto-detection sounds good and would be nice for pci too.
We had things like model=virtio originally which is pretty close.
But the issue is, how then do you pass bus specific arguments like pci
slot? This is what caused us to go the virtio-net-pci route
to begin with.

> 2. We shouldn't be making command line simplicity drive how we
> model devices inside QEMU.

Confused.  I was told that enabling
 -device virtio-pci,id=transport1 -device virtio-net,bus=transport1
is the reason we have this patchset.

> If we wanted to do that we should have
> stuck with the old -net command line arguments which are rather
> more userfriendly IMHO.

The main thing that confused people with -net was the vlans
and the need to specify -net twice.
A good UI would have been e.g. -nic model=virtio,net=user.

But one bad UI does not justify another one.

> If commandline confusion is getting to
> be a problem with all the -device foo stuff then we should probably
> fix that at the UI level.
> 
> -- PMM

I'd like to see a proposal about how we are going to do this.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-07 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-07 13:32 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 0/6] Virtio refactoring fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 1/6] qdev : add a maximum device allowed field for the bus fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 2/6] virtio-bus : Introduce virtio-bus fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 3/6] virtio-pci-bus : Introduce virtio-pci-bus fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 4/6] virtio-pci : Refactor virtio-pci device fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 5/6] virtio-device : Refactor virtio-device fred.konrad
2012-12-07 13:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 6/6] virtio-blk : Add the virtio-blk device fred.konrad
2012-12-07 14:53   ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-17 15:45 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v6 0/6] Virtio refactoring Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-17 17:13   ` KONRAD Frédéric
2012-12-17 20:46     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 10:33   ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-18 11:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 11:26       ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-18 11:50         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-12-18 12:06           ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-18 13:10             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 14:00               ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-18 14:36                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-12-18 14:56                   ` Peter Maydell
2012-12-18 14:59                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-12-18 15:42                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 15:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 14:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-12-18 11:30       ` KONRAD Frédéric
2012-12-18 13:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 20:12           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-07 20:59             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 21:24               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-07 21:37                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 21:51                   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-07 22:15                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 22:50                       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-08  6:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 22:16                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 19:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-07 20:02           ` Peter Maydell
2013-01-07 20:49             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-01-07 21:32               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-07 20:14           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-08  9:56           ` KONRAD Frédéric
2013-01-08 14:02             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-08 14:27               ` KONRAD Frédéric

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