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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Wenchao Xia <xiawenc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, aliguori@us.ibm.com, quintela@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, lcapitulino@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, dietmar@proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 07/10] snapshot: qmp use new internal API for external snapshot transaction
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:12:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130111091253.GA31400@stefanha-thinkpad.muc.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50EFAFA4.1030705@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 02:22:28PM +0800, Wenchao Xia wrote:
> 于 2013-1-10 20:41, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> >On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:21:22AM +0800, Wenchao Xia wrote:
> >>于 2013-1-9 20:44, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> >>>On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 03:28:06PM +0800, Wenchao Xia wrote:
> >>>>   This patch switch to internal common API to take group external
> >>>>snapshots from qmp_transaction interface. qmp layer simply does
> >>>>a translation from user input.
> >>>>
> >>>>Signed-off-by: Wenchao Xia <xiawenc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >>>>---
> >>>>  blockdev.c |  215 ++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------------------
> >>>>  1 files changed, 87 insertions(+), 128 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>>An internal API for snapshots is not necessary.  qmp_transaction() is
> >>>already usable both from the monitor and C code.
> >>>
> >>>The QAPI code generator creates structs that can be accessed directly
> >>>from C.  qmp_transaction(), BlockdevAction, and BlockdevActionList *is*
> >>>the snapshot API.  It just doesn't support internal snapshots yet, which
> >>>is what you are trying to add.
> >>>
> >>>To add internal snapshot support, define a BlockdevInternalSnapshot type
> >>>in qapi-schema.json and add internal snapshot support in
> >>>qmp_transaction().
> >>>
> >>>qmp_transaction() was designed with this in mind from the beginning and
> >>>dispatches based on BlockdevAction->kind.
> >>>
> >>>The patch series will become much smaller while still adding internal
> >>>snapshot support.
> >>>
> >>>Stefan
> >>>
> >>
> >>   As API, qmp_transaction have following disadvantages:
> >>1) interface is based on string not data type inside qemu, that means
> >>other function calling it result in: bdrv->string->bdrv
> >
> >Use bdrv_get_device_name().  You already need to fill in filename or
> >snapshot name strings.  This is not a big disadvantage.
> >
>   Yes, not a big disadvantage, but why not save string operation but
> use (bdrv*) as much as possible?
> 
> what happens will be:
> 
> hmp-snapshot
>     |
> qmp-snapshot
>     |---------
>              |
>         qmp-transaction            savevm(may be other..)
>              |----------------------|
>                             |
>               internal transaction layer

Saving the string operation is not worth duplicating the API.

> >>2) all capability are forced to be exposed.
> >
> >Is there something you cannot expose?
> >
>   As other component in qemu can use it, some option may
> be used only in qemu not to user. For eg, vm-state-size.

When we hit a limitation of QAPI then it needs to be extended.  I'm sure
there's a solution for splitting or hiding parts of the QAPI generated
API.

> >>3) need structure to record each transaction state, such as
> >>BlkTransactionStates. Extending it is equal to add an internal layer.
> >
> >I agree that extending it is equal coding effort to adding an internal
> >layer because you'll need to refactor qmp_transaction() a bit to really
> >support additional action types.
> >
> >But it's the right thing to do.  Don't add unnecessary layers just
> >because writing new code is more fun than extending existing code.
> >
>  If this layer is not added but depending only qmp_transaction, there
> will be many "if else" fragment. I have tried that and the code
> is awkful, this layer did not bring extra burden only make what
> happens inside qmp_transaction clearer, I did not add this layer just
> for fun.
> 
> 
> >>   Actually I started up by use qmp_transaction as API, but soon
> >>found that work is almost done around BlkTransactionStates, so
> >>added a layer around it clearly.

The qmp_transaction() implementation can be changed, I'm not saying you
have to hack in more if statements.  It's cleanest to introduce a
BdrvActionOps abstraction:

typedef struct BdrvActionOps BdrvActionOps;
typedef struct BdrvTransactionState {
    const BdrvActionOps *ops;
    QLIST_ENTRY(BdrvTransactionState);
} BdrvTransactionState;

struct BdrvActionOps {
    int (*prepare)(BdrvTransactionState *s, ...);
    int (*commit)(BdrvTransactionState *s, ...);
    int (*rollback)(BdrvTransactionState *s, ...);
};

BdrvTransactionState *bdrv_transaction_create(BlockdevAction *action);

Then qmp_transaction() can be generic code that steps through the
transactions.  This is similar to what your series does and I think it's
the right direction.

But please don't duplicate the qmp_transaction() and
BlockdevAction/BlockdevActionList APIs.  In other words, change the
engine, not the whole car.

Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-11  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-07  7:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 00/10] snapshot: take block snapshots in unified way Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 01/10] block: export function bdrv_find_snapshot() Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 02/10] block: add function deappend() Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 03/10] error: add function error_set_check() Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 04/10] oslib-win32: add lock for time functions Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07 17:12   ` Stefan Weil
2013-01-08  2:27     ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 05/10] snapshot: design of internal common API to take snapshots Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 06/10] snapshot: implemention " Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 07/10] snapshot: qmp use new internal API for external snapshot transaction Wenchao Xia
2013-01-09 12:44   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-10  3:21     ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-10 12:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-11  6:22         ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-11  9:12           ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2013-01-14  2:56             ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-14 10:06               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-15  7:03                 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-12  8:30                   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-12 15:43                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-13  1:36                       ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-13  8:42                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-13 10:18                     ` Kevin Wolf
2013-03-14  5:08                       ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-14  8:22                         ` Kevin Wolf
2013-03-18 10:00                           ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 08/10] snapshot: qmp add internal snapshot transaction interface Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 09/10] snapshot: qmp add blockdev-snapshot-internal-sync interface Wenchao Xia
2013-01-07  7:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 10/10] snapshot: hmp add internal snapshot support for block device Wenchao Xia
2013-01-09 22:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2 00/10] snapshot: take block snapshots in unified way Eric Blake
2013-01-10  6:01   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-11 13:56     ` Luiz Capitulino
2013-01-14  2:09       ` Wenchao Xia
2013-01-14 10:08         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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