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From: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org>,
	seabios@seabios.org, Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-stable@nongnu.org, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-stable] [SeaBIOS] problems with freeBSD
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:52:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130308135254.GA6600@morn.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-K-Vw5Q2McCP82m3LxV4ez7XG8HucCjGBM4nK6NF3Pxw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 08, 2013 at 12:03:15AM +0800, Peter Maydell wrote:
> Earlier in this thread it's been stated that this often produces
> subtly broken blobs...

I think there have been some far reaching conclusions in this thread
based on incorrect premises.

SeaBIOS has had problems with mis-compilations in the past.  To handle
this, the SeaBIOS build runs test cases on every compilation to verify
the tool chain (see tools/test-build.sh).  I have not seen a report of
a guest visible SeaBIOS mis-compilation in many years.

There have been a few cases of guest bugs that get tickled when
changes to SeaBIOS cause slightly different memory layouts.  The last
case of this that comes to mind is the JunOS bug that was tracked down
a year and a half ago.  The root cause of the FreeBSD issue raised in
this thread is very similar - the full details aren't known yet, but
we do know that a slightly different memory layout is ticking a bug in
a FreeBSD page presence check.

Since changes are inevitable anyway (the only alternative would be to
never enhance SeaBIOS), I don't believe that dictating one "true
compiler" or one "true blob" is necessary or desirable.

-Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-08 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-06  8:21 [Qemu-devel] problems with freeBSD Dietmar Maurer
2013-03-06 12:41 ` Alexandre DERUMIER
2013-03-06 14:38   ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-03-06 15:56 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-03-06 23:12 ` Aurelien Jarno
2013-03-07  0:53   ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-03-07  1:28     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-03-07  1:58       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2013-03-07  6:12         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-stable] " Doug Goldstein
2013-03-07  6:32           ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-07  7:17           ` Michael Tokarev
2013-03-07 11:56             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-03-07 13:06               ` Michael Tokarev
2013-03-07 15:03               ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-07 15:56                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-03-07 16:03                   ` Peter Maydell
2013-03-07 16:21                     ` Aurelien Jarno
2013-03-07 18:57                       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] [Qemu-stable] " Peter Stuge
2013-03-08  7:50                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-08 13:52                     ` Kevin O'Connor [this message]
2013-03-08 14:57                       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2013-03-07 20:24                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-03-08  7:47                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-08  7:54                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-03-08  8:20                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-03-08  8:33                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-08  9:58                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-03-07 16:33                 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-stable] [SeaBIOS] " Dietmar Maurer
2013-03-07 11:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-03-07  8:43     ` Aurelien Jarno
2013-03-07 12:16       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-03-07 13:48         ` Aurelien Jarno
2013-03-07 13:02       ` Don Slutz
2013-03-07 14:00         ` Don Slutz
2013-03-07 16:05           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-07 13:57       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-03-07 14:09         ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Don Slutz
2013-03-07 16:15         ` [Qemu-devel] " Aurelien Jarno
2013-03-08  3:35       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-03-08 11:30         ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Laszlo Ersek

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