From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"imain@redhat.com" <imain@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Wenchao Xia <xiawenc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/8] block: drive-backup live backup command
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:04:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130523080417.GC2921@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <24E144B8C0207547AD09C467A8259F755859A87E@lisa.maurer-it.com>
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0000, Dietmar Maurer wrote:
> > That sounds like more work than a persistent dirty bitmap. The advantage is that
> > while dirty bitmaps are consumed by a single user, the Merkle tree can be used
> > to sync up any number of replicas.
>
> I also consider it safer, because you make sure the data exists (using hash keys like SHA1).
>
> I am unsure how you can check if a dirty bitmap contains errors, or is out of date?
>
> Also, you can compare arbitrary Merkle trees, whereas a dirty bitmap is always related to a single image.
> (consider the user remove the latest backup from the backup target).
One disadvantage of Merkle trees is that the client becomes stateful -
the client needs to store its own Merkle tree and this requires fancier
client-side code.
It is also more expensive to update hashes than a dirty bitmap. Not
because you need to hash data but because a small write (e.g. 1 sector)
requires that you read the surrounding sectors to recompute a hash for
the cluster. Therefore you can expect worse guest I/O performance than
with a dirty bitmap.
I still think it's a cool idea. Making it work well will require a lot
more effort than a dirty bitmap.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-05-23 8:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-15 14:34 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/8] block: drive-backup live backup command Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/8] block: add bdrv_add_before_write_cb() Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:42 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-16 2:42 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-16 8:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/8] block: add basic backup support to block driver Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-16 3:27 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-16 7:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-20 11:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 13:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-21 15:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 15:25 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-21 15:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 15:54 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-21 16:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 16:15 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-21 16:26 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-21 16:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 13:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/8] block: add drive-backup QMP command Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 19:04 ` Eric Blake
2013-05-16 7:31 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/8] qemu-iotests: add 055 drive-backup test case Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 5/8] blockdev: rename BlkTransactionStates to singular Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 19:09 ` Eric Blake
2013-05-16 2:28 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/8] blockdev: add DriveBackup transaction Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 19:13 ` Eric Blake
2013-05-16 7:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 7/8] blockdev: add Abort transaction Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 19:01 ` Eric Blake
2013-05-16 2:26 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-16 7:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-15 14:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 8/8] qemu-iotests: test 'drive-backup' transaction in 055 Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-16 6:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/8] block: drive-backup live backup command Wenchao Xia
2013-05-16 7:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-17 6:58 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-17 9:14 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-21 3:25 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-05-21 7:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-17 10:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-20 6:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-20 7:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 7:31 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-21 8:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-21 10:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:58 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-22 13:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-22 15:10 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-22 15:34 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-23 8:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2013-05-23 8:11 ` Dietmar Maurer
2013-05-24 8:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-05-24 9:53 ` Dietmar Maurer
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2013-09-02 12:57 Benoît Canet
2013-09-03 7:54 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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