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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Cc: KVM devel mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	seabios@seabios.org,
	qemu-devel qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	"Jordan Justen (Intel address)" <jordan.l.justen@intel.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:45:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130530174539.GF29091@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFe8ug9CTjAZ9HfnJpmNK6wtogyY6xxNkc5tBjQd-qiHNkUVyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 09:57:10AM -0700, Jordan Justen wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On 05/30/13 18:20, Jordan Justen wrote:
> >> I think ACPI table generation lives in firmware on real products,
> >> because on real products the firmware is the point that best
> >> understands the actual hardware layout for the machine. In qemu, I
> >> would say that qemu best knows the hardware layout, given that the
> >> firmware is generally a slightly separate project from qemu.
> >>
> >> I don't think adding a coreboot layer into the picture helps, if it
> >> brings along the coreboot payload boot interface as a requirement.
> >>
> >> Then again, I don't really understand how firmware could be swapped
> >> out in this case. What would -bios do? How would the coreboot ACPI
> >> shim layer be specified to qemu?
> >
> > I guess -bios would load coreboot. Coreboot would siphon the data
> > necessary for ACPI table building through the current (same) fw_cfg
> > bottleneck, build the tables, load the boot firmware (SeaBIOS or OVMF or
> > something else -- not sure how to configure that), and pass down the
> > tables to the firmware (through a now unspecified interface -- perhaps
> > the tables could even be installed at this point). This could introduce
> > another interface (fw_cfg+something rather than just fw_cfg), but ACPI
> > table preparation would be concentrated in one project.
> >
> > I guess.
> 
> For reference, I believe that both Xen and virtualbox build ACPI table
> in the VMM rather than firmware. They both dump the tables into the
> 0xe000 segment (yuck) where firmware finds and publishes it to the OS.
> I think fw-cfg would be a reasonable alternative to this for
> communicating the tables.
> 
> -Jordan

Want to review/ack the patches I sent? That's exactly what they do.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-30 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-23 12:41 [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28 Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-24  3:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " li guang
2013-05-28 23:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-29  8:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30  6:37       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-06-02 15:05     ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-02 15:40         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  6:25       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  8:49   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  9:42       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 18:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:35       ` Markus Armbruster
2013-05-30  1:12       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 12:16         ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30  6:12       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30  9:23       ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 11:13         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 12:19           ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 12:27             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30 12:43             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:20             ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 16:41               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 17:37                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 17:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-05-31  9:32                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31  9:55                   ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 23:01                   ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-03  5:28                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30 17:44               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31 12:09               ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 19:48                 ` Patrick Georgi
2013-05-29  9:54   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31  2:34   ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31  7:09     ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31  8:13       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 10:05         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31 13:03         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:41         ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 11:45       ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 13:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 14:08           ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 14:28             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:33               ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 16:54                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:06                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 18:09                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-31 18:35                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:28                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:44                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:45               ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]           ` <51A8AD52.3070901@redhat.com>
2013-05-31 14:38             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:36               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:02               ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:27                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 21:03                   ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-01  0:01                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:16                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-02  9:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  7:24           ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 12:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 13:02       ` David Woodhouse
2013-06-01  3:11       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-06-02  9:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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