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From: Muli Ben-Yehuda <mulix@hypervisorconsulting.com>
To: Aaron Fabbri <ajfabbri@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Lluís Vilanova" <vilanova@ac.upc.edu>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"QEMU ." <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Direct guest device access from nested guest
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:27:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130830052758.GL17596@needle> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF+KLxuZqJoSKEAz+Osbh8jxZVOi+U2rNbTmMH5V3TpXn-p3xA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 03:55:20PM -0700, Aaron Fabbri wrote:

> Has anyone considered a paravirt approach?  That is:
> 
> Guest kernel:  Write a new IOMMU API back end which does KVM hypercalls.
>  Exposes VFIO to guest user processes (nested VMs) as usual.
> 
> Host kernel: KVM does things like collapse {guest_va -> guest_pa ->
> host_pa} mappings to {guest_va -> host_pa}, and call through to
> underlying IOMMU.
> 
> Opinions?

The paravirt approach can certainly work but has a couple of
drawbacks. First, you need to modify the guest kernel
(obviously). Second, frequent map/unmap calls can be very expensive,
so you probably want to relax protection somewhat and cache DMA
mappings, preferably at the guest level or at the host level[1].

Personally, I think that emulating an IOMMU is the right way to go
with current generation hardware, and can provide very reasonable
performance if you are willing to relax protection[2].

[1] http://www.mulix.org/pubs/iommu/dmamapping.pdf
[2] http://www.mulix.org/pubs/iommu/viommu.pdf

Cheers,
Muli

      parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-30  5:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-28 14:28 [Qemu-devel] Direct guest device access from nested guest Lluís Vilanova
2013-08-28 16:48 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-28 18:12   ` Lluís Vilanova
2013-08-28 18:18     ` Jan Kiszka
2013-08-28 19:18       ` Lluís Vilanova
2013-08-29 22:55         ` Aaron Fabbri
2013-08-29 22:58           ` [Qemu-devel] Fwd: " Aaron Fabbri
2013-08-30  5:27           ` Muli Ben-Yehuda [this message]

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