From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVdlT-0003WF-Na for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:44:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVdlP-0006Kr-DT for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:44:35 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:35697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VVdlP-0006Kf-5y for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:44:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:44:23 +0200 From: Stefan Hajnoczi Message-ID: <20131014084423.GB26530@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> References: <1381397957-12181-1-git-send-email-stefanha@redhat.com> <5256E706.306@weilnetz.de> <20131011075547.GA27789@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> <525829AD.6010006@weilnetz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <525829AD.6010006@weilnetz.de> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Use qemu-project.org domain name List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Stefan Weil Cc: Peter Maydell , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Anthony Liguori , Markus Armbruster On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 06:39:09PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: > Am 11.10.2013 09:55, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:42:30PM +0200, Stefan Weil wrote: > >> Am 10.10.2013 11:39, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi: > >>> qemu.org is held by a third-party and no core community contributor has > >>> access to the DNS configuration. This leaves the website exposed to > >>> outages due to DNS issues or IP address changes. For example, if the > >>> web server IP address needs to change we cannot guarantee qemu.org will > >>> point to it! > >>> > >>> The newer qemu-project.org domain name is owned by Anthony Liguori > >>> . You can confirm this by querying the whois > >>> information. Also note that the #qemu IRC channel topic already > >>> references qemu-project.org. > >>> > >>> Short of having a dedicated legal entity to hold the domain name on > >>> behalf of the community, qemu-project.org seems like the safest bet. > >>> > >>> Let's replace references to qemu.org with qemu-project.org. > >>> > >>> Signed-off-by: Stefan Hajnoczi > >>> --- > >>> This sprang from another email thread where qemu.org URLs were posted. I > >>> realized that there are still many references in the source tree. > >>> > >> I don't like this change. We should strive to get a transfer of qemu.org > >> from the current owner to some respected legal entity in the open source > >> domain, > >> for example FSFE or FSF. > > I have no contact with the current owner of qemu.org and therefore don't > > know if they are willing to transfer it. > > > > Anthony: Any idea? > > > > Stefan > > Hi Stefan, > > I had contacted the owner in the past when there were IP changes or DNS > problems and always had the impression that he was helpful. Therefore I > have sent a mail to him now, too, and asked him whether he would be > willing to transfer the ownership of qemu.org to an organisation. I have > also written to the FSFE and are waiting for both answers now. > > I currently see no urgent need for the patch and strongly suggest to > delay it for the next 4 weeks or maybe until end of October. If we don't > get a positive answer until some deadline, we still can apply the patch > then. > > A new domain which is again privately owned is a bad solution, even if > the owner is a very active QEMU developer. If we have to look for a new > domain name to replace qemu.org, I expect that the new name must be > owned by an organisation like the FSF or FSFE. > > Don't forget that there are lots of other places which refer to > qemu.org, so choosing a new domain name would always be the second best > solution, and we should first try hard to get the best solution! I'm glad that you and Anthony are investigating avenues to put trademark, domain name, etc into a safe place. Keep in mind that qemu-project.org is already being used in places (e.g. #qemu IRC channel topic). It's not a brand new domain name. The current situation with qemu.org is not a healthy position for an open source project to be in. I hope we can either make progress or switch over to qemu-project.org soon. Stefan