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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Chunyan Liu" <cyliu@suse.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu-img: set nocow flag to new file
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:24:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131218142411.GG29247@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131211082954.GA31406@stefanha-thinkpad.muc.redhat.com>

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 09:29:54AM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23:41PM +0000, Alex Bennée wrote:
> > 
> > stefanha@redhat.com writes:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:54:59PM +0800, Chunyan Liu wrote:
> > >> 2013/11/15 Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
> > >> 
> > >> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 04:15:28PM +0800, Chunyan Liu wrote:
> > >> > > Set NOCOW flag to newly created images to solve performance issues on
> > >> > btrfs.
> > <snip>
> > >> > This should be optional and I'm not sure it should be the default.
> > >> >
> > >> > Rationale: If you're on btrfs you probably expect the copy-on-write and
> > >> > snapshot features of the file system.  We shouldn't silently disable
> > >> > that unless the user asks for it.
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > When the NOCOW attribute is set on a file, reflink copying (aka
> > > file-level snapshots) do not work:
> > >
> > > $ cp --reflink test.img test-snapshot.img
> > >
> > > This produces EINVAL.
> > >
> > > It is a regression if qemu-img create suddenly starts breaking this
> > > standard btrfs feature for existing users.
> > >
> > > Please make it a .bdrv_create() option which is off by default to avoid
> > > breaking existing users' workflows/scripts.  The result should be
> > > something like:
> > >
> > > $ qemu-img create test.img 8G # file has NOCOW cleared
> > > $ qemu-img create -o nocow=on test.img 8G # file has NOCOW set
> > 
> > I agree we shouldn't break existing work flows. I wonder if it would OK
> > for qemu-img to issue a warning (when not --quiet) when it detects
> > creation of an image on a partition where performance may not be as
> > expected due to COW behaviour.
> 
> A warning could help or at least prompt users to consider switching to
> nocow.

IMHO such warnings are not nice - if a user does not wish to use
the 'nocow' option because they want to keep the ability to use
file label snapshots they should not be subjected to a warning
message forever more.

I suggest this is something to document in the man page instead.

Daniel
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      reply	other threads:[~2013-12-18 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-14  8:15 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu-img: set nocow flag to new file Chunyan Liu
2013-11-14  9:17 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-11-14 14:23   ` Alex Bligh
2013-11-14 14:28     ` Alex Bligh
2013-11-15  4:05   ` Chunyan Liu
2013-11-15 12:26     ` Kevin Wolf
2013-11-14  9:44 ` Alex Bennée
2013-11-14 10:14   ` Kevin Wolf
2013-11-15  9:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-18  4:54   ` Chunyan Liu
2013-11-18  9:57     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-12-10 22:23       ` Alex Bennée
2013-12-11  8:29         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-12-18 14:24           ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]

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