From: Greg Kurz <gkurz@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>, "Fam Zheng" <famz@redhat.com>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
"Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Anthony Liguori" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
"Amit Shah" <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:47:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140612104717.4c902947@bahia.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140612075448.GB19354@redhat.com>
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:54:48 +0300
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 09:43:51AM +0200, Greg Kurz wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 May 2014 12:16:26 +0200
> > Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > Il 29/05/2014 11:12, Greg Kurz ha scritto:
> > > > int virtio_load(VirtIODevice *vdev, QEMUFile *f)
> > > > {
> > > > [...]
> > > > nheads = vring_avail_idx(&vdev->vq[i]) - vdev->vq[i].last_avail_idx;
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > /* Check it isn't doing very strange things with descriptor numbers. */
> > > > if (nheads > vdev->vq[i].vring.num) {
> > > > [...]
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > static int virtio_serial_load(QEMUFile *f, void *opaque, int version_id)
> > > > {
> > > > [...]
> > > > /* The config space */
> > > > qemu_get_be16s(f, &s->config.cols);
> > > > qemu_get_be16s(f, &s->config.rows);
> > > >
> > > > qemu_get_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
> > > > tswap32s(&max_nr_ports);
> > > > ^^^^^^
> > > > if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
> > > > [...]
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > If we stream subsections after the device descriptor as it is done
> > > > in VMState, these two will break because the device endian is stale.
> > > >
> > > > The first one can be easily dealt with: just defer the sanity check
> > > > to a post_load function.
> > >
> > > Good, we're lucky here.
> > >
> > > > The second is a bit more tricky: the
> > > > virtio serial migrates its config space (target endian) and the
> > > > active ports bitmap. The load code assumes max_nr_ports from the
> > > > config space tells the size of the ports bitmap... that means the
> > > > virtio migration protocol is also contaminated by target endianness. :-\
> > >
> > > Ouch.
> > >
> > > I guess we could break migration in the case of host endianness !=
> > > target endianness, like this:
> > >
> > > /* These three used to be fetched in target endianness and then
> > > * stored as big endian. It ended up as little endian if host and
> > > * target endianness doesn't match.
> > > *
> > > * Starting with qemu 2.1, we always store as big endian. The
> > > * version wasn't bumped to avoid breaking backwards compatibility.
> > > * We check the validity of max_nr_ports, and the incorrect-
> > > * endianness max_nr_ports will be huge, which will abort migration
> > > * anyway.
> > > */
> > > uint16_t cols = tswap16(s->config.cols);
> > > uint16_t rows = tswap16(s->config.rows);
> > > uint32_t max_nr_ports = tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports);
> > >
> > > qemu_put_be16s(f, &cols);
> > > qemu_put_be16s(f, &rows);
> > > qemu_put_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > uint16_t cols, rows;
> > >
> > > qemu_get_be16s(f, &cols);
> > > qemu_get_be16s(f, &rows);
> > > qemu_get_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
> > >
> > > /* Convert back to target endianness when storing into the config
> > > * space.
> > > */
> >
> > Paolo,
> >
> > The patch set to support endian changing targets adds a device_endian
> > field to the VirtIODevice structure to be used instead of the default
> > target endianness as it happens with tswap() macros. It also introduces
> > virtio_tswap() helpers for this purpose, but they can only be used when
> > the device_endian field has been restored... in a subsection after the
> > device descriptor... :-\
>
> Store it earlier then, using plain put/get.
Not sure I follow... this will break compatibility, no ?
> You can still add a section conditionally to cause
> a cleaner failure in broken cross-version scenarios.
>
> > If the scenario is ppc64le-on-ppc64: tswap() macros don't do anything
> > and we cannot convert back to LE...
> >
> > > s->config.cols = tswap16(cols);
> > > s->config.rows = tswap16(rows);
> >
> > Since cols and rows are not involved in the protocol, we can safely
> > defer the conversion to post load.
> >
> > > if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports) {
> > > ...
> > > }
> > >
> >
> > Since we know that 0 < max_nr_ports < 32, is it acceptable to guess
> > the correct endianness with a heuristic ?
> >
> > if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
> > max_nr_ports = bswap32(max_nr_ports);
> > }
> >
> > if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
> > return -EINVAL;
> > }
> >
> > > > In the case the answer for above is "legacy virtio really sucks" then,
> > > > is it acceptable to not honor bug-compatibility with older versions and
> > > > fix the code ? :)
> > >
> > > As long as the common cases don't break, yes. The question is what are
> > > the common cases. Here I think the only non-obscure case that could
> > > break is x86-on-PPC, and it's not that common.
> > >
> > > Paolo
> > >
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> One starts doubting whether all this hackery is worth it. virtio 1.0
> should be out real soon now, it makes everything LE so the problem goes
> away. It's not like PPC LE is so popular that we must support old drivers
> at all costs. Won't time be better spent backporting virtio 1.0 drivers?
>
Hmmm... AFAIC some QEMU maintainers expressed interest in supporting legacy
virtio in the case we have endian-changing targets. Patches to run a ppc64le
guests have been accepted in KVM, Linux and QEMU... the only missing block
is virtio. I don't especially care in supporting old drivers at all cost: this
request was expressed on the list. I just want people to be able to run a ppc64le
ubuntu-14.04 (and soon other distros) guest on a ppc64 box and be able to migrate.
Would it be acceptable to break compatibility for ppc64 (and maybe ARM) only with
a target specific hook being called from the virtio code ?
>
> > --
> > Gregory Kurz kurzgreg@fr.ibm.com
> > gkurz@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> > Software Engineer @ IBM/Meiosys http://www.ibm.com
> > Tel +33 (0)562 165 496
> >
> > "Anarchy is about taking complete responsibility for yourself."
> > Alan Moore.
>
Thanks.
--
Gregory Kurz kurzgreg@fr.ibm.com
gkurz@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Software Engineer @ IBM/Meiosys http://www.ibm.com
Tel +33 (0)562 165 496
"Anarchy is about taking complete responsibility for yourself."
Alan Moore.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-12 8:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-14 15:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/8] virtio: migrate new properties Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/8] virtio: add subsections to the migration stream Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 6:04 ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15 6:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 6:46 ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15 7:04 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 9:20 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 9:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 9:58 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 10:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 10:11 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 10:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 12:00 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 12:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 13:47 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-05-15 13:49 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 12:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-05-15 12:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 13:35 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:08 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 10:21 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:16 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-16 9:14 ` Fam Zheng
2014-05-16 9:22 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-16 9:40 ` Fam Zheng
2014-05-16 9:48 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-17 18:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 7:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 6:49 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 6:55 ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15 7:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/8] virtio-net: migrate subsections Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 3/8] virtio-blk: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 4/8] virtio-scsi: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 5/8] virtio-serial: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 6/8] virtio-balloon: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 7/8] virtio-rng: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice Greg Kurz
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2014-06-12 7:43 ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 7:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 8:47 ` Greg Kurz [this message]
2014-06-12 9:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 9:06 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 8:55 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 9:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 9:08 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12 8:57 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 9:06 ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 9:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12 9:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 9:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12 9:43 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:14 ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:39 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:50 ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:58 ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 11:10 ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 10:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 10:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-19 8:38 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC V2 0/8] virtio: migrate new properties Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 8:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 13:06 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 17:06 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-19 17:32 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 18:07 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
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