From: Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, benoit.canet@irqsave.net, pkrempa@redhat.com,
famz@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:30:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140619123019.GA6096@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140619085502.GR21236@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com>
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 04:55:02PM +0800, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:53:49PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > Currently, node_name is only filled in when done so explicitly by the
> > user. If no node_name is specified, then the node name field is not
> > populated.
> >
> > If node_names are automatically generated when not specified, that means
> > that all block job operations can be done by reference to the unique
> > node_name field. This eliminates ambiguity in resolving filenames
> > (relative filenames, or file descriptors, symlinks, mounts, etc..) that
> > qemu currently needs to deal with.
> >
> > If a node name is specified, then it will not be automatically
> > generated for that BDS entry.
> >
> > If it is automatically generated, it will be prefaced with "__qemu##",
> > followed by 8 characters of a unique number, followed by 8 random
> > ASCII characters in the range of 'A-Z'. Some sample generated node-name
> > strings:
> > __qemu##00000000IAIYNXXR
> > __qemu##00000002METXTRBQ
> > __qemu##00000001FMBORDWG
> >
> > The prefix is to aid in identifying it as a qemu-generated name, the
> > numeric portion is to guarantee uniqueness in a given qemu session, and
> > the random characters are to further avoid any accidental collisions
> > with user-specified node-names.
> >
> > Reviewed-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
> > ---
> > block.c | 16 +++++++++++++++-
> > 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> Who is this feature for?
>
> Human users: they'll need to read through query-named-block-nodes
> output to find the nodes they care about. This is pretty cumbersome and
> not human-friendly.
>
Currently, that is how a human user would find the node-names. That
doesn't mean there might not be a new interface later on, that is more
human friendly.
And while a human parsing query-named-block-nodes isn't fun, I think
it is easier than a human assigning node-names to a graph, so it is
more human-friendly than the current system.
> Management tools: parsing query-named-block-nodes isn't trivial since
> the output can vary between QEMU versions (e.g. when we move I/O
> throttling to a block driver node there will be new internal nodes).
> Tools doing this should really use blockdev-add instead and assign their
> own node names.
Libvirt (and OpenStack) is already testing with these patches, and my
impression from Eric is that parsing the output of
query-named-block-nodes was less work than assigning node-names in
libvirt.
Can you expand a bit on moving i/o throttle to a block, and creating
new internal nodes?
The generated node-names have the same life cycle as a specified
node-name; anything that would invalidate a generated node-name would
invalidate a specified node-name as well.
And if a QMP command is issued that would cause new nodes to be
assigned, I believe libvirt is aware that they need to perform a
query-named-block-nodes again.
>
> It seems like neither type of user will get much mileage out of this
> feature. Is it really necessary or did I miss a use case?
>
Strictly speaking, it isn't required. But it makes sense for QEMU to
assign node-names to any unassigned node-names, because it does make
life easier for both humans and management software, and QEMU is the
only one that can always ensure that every BDS has a node-name.
It is also nice for QEMU; we can now in future versions assume that
every BDS will always have a node-name, regardless if it has been
assigned by the user or not.
And the usage of the node-names is strictly optional by the human or
management software user; neither is required to use the generated
node-names, and are feel to specify their own node-name. A user
specified node-name will prevent an auto-generated one from being
assigned for that specific BDS.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-19 12:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-17 21:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:53 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-18 13:13 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:31 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 12:30 ` Jeff Cody [this message]
2014-06-19 17:03 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-20 4:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 12:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 02/10] block: add helper function to determine if a BDS is in a chain Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 6:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 10:24 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 03/10] block: simplify bdrv_find_base() and bdrv_find_overlay() Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 6:31 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 04/10] block: make 'top' argument to block-commit optional Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 22:25 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:56 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 6:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 05/10] block: Accept node-name arguments for block-commit Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:58 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 06/10] block: extend block-commit to accept a string for the backing file Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 7:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 07/10] block: add ability for block-stream to use node-name Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:06 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 08/10] block: add backing-file option to block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 09/10] block: Add QMP documentation for block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 10/10] block: add QAPI command to allow live backing file change Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:15 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 19:08 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 16:26 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 16:49 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:54 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] Op Blockers on child nodes (was Re: [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use) node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 12:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Kevin Wolf
2014-06-23 13:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 14:17 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 2:48 ` Fam Zheng
2014-06-24 13:32 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 14:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-06-24 15:30 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 17:49 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 17:08 ` Jeff Cody
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