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From: Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, benoit.canet@irqsave.net, pkrempa@redhat.com,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:32:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140624133259.GA5491@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140624024852.GD26197@T430.redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48:52AM +0800, Fam Zheng wrote:
> On Mon, 06/23 21:08, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:26:00PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:17:16PM +0800, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:53:48PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > > Let's discuss this topic in a sub-thread and figure out what to do for
> > > > QEMU 2.1.  This is an important issue to solve before the release
> > > > because we can't change QMP command semantics easily later.
> > > > 
> > > > My questions are:
> > > > a. How do we fix resize, snapshot-sync, etc?  It seems like we need to
> > > >    propagate child op blockers.
> > > > 
> > > > b. Is it a good idea to perform op blocker checks on the root node?
> > > >    It's inconsistent with resize, snapshot-sync, etc.  Permissions in
> > > >    BDS graphs with multiple root nodes (e.g. guest device and NBD
> > > >    run-time server) will be different depending on which root you
> > > >    specify.
> > > 
> > > I don't think (b) is the ultimate solution.  It is used as a stop-gap
> > > because op blockers in the current implementation is essentially
> > > analogous to the in-use flag.  But is it good enough for 2.1?  If
> > > *everything* checks the topmost node in 2.1, then I think we are OK in
> > > all cases except where images files share a common BDS.
> > 
> > Checking op blockers on the root node as a stop-gap is a good idea.
> > Let's apply it across all commands (e.g. snapshot-sync, resize).
> > 
> > Fam pointed out that this approach is vulnerable to blockdev-add, where
> > blockers could be set/checked on an incomplete BDS graph (since you can
> > add new nodes on top).  Do we need to move the blockers up the graph if
> > a new root node is inserted?
> 
> My concern is if we allow adding new root on top, it's not easy to know the
> real root then.
> 
> To give an example:
> 
> If we have
> 
>     [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0" blockers=...]
> 
> When user does
> 
>     (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
> 
> We should check drive0, which is OK.
> 
> Then, assume user adds a new root on top, we would take care of moving the
> blockers:
> 
>     [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1" blockers=]
> 
> At this point, what if user does something on drive0 again?
> 
>     (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
> 
> The right thing to do is to check blockers on "drive1", since it's the real
> root now.  But how do we know? Do we need to add a back reference pointer
> ->overlap_hd in BDS, or do we maintain a look up table, or do we search all BDS
> graphs to figure out?
> 
> None is easier than if we put the blockers in the bottom BDS, in the first
> place:
> 
>     [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"]
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 

I think you are right.  If we place the blocker at the bottom-most
BDS, then that would be a more restrictive blocker.  This may end up
being more restrictive than needed, but more importantly it should
make everything safe.

Also, it is an easy change for 2.1 - just call bdrv_find_base(bs), and
set/check/clear blockers on the returned BDS.

> Even if user adds a new root, we don't need to worry about moving blockers,
> because the bottom is not changed.
> 
>     [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1"]
> 
> Checking the blockers are easy, either for drive0 or drive1: just follow the
> backing chain until getting to the end.
> 
> Fam

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-24 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-17 21:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:53   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-18 13:13     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:31       ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 12:30     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 17:03       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-20  4:24       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 12:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 02/10] block: add helper function to determine if a BDS is in a chain Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:27   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 10:24   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 03/10] block: simplify bdrv_find_base() and bdrv_find_overlay() Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 04/10] block: make 'top' argument to block-commit optional Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 22:25   ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:56     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19  6:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 05/10] block: Accept node-name arguments for block-commit Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:58   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 06/10] block: extend block-commit to accept a string for the backing file Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  7:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 07/10] block: add ability for block-stream to use node-name Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:06   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 08/10] block: add backing-file option to block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 09/10] block: Add QMP documentation for block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 10/10] block: add QAPI command to allow live backing file change Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:15   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 19:08       ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19  9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 16:26   ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 16:49     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:54       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 18:22       ` [Qemu-devel] Op Blockers on child nodes (was Re: [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use) node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 12:55       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Kevin Wolf
2014-06-23 13:08     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 14:17       ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24  2:48       ` Fam Zheng
2014-06-24 13:32         ` Jeff Cody [this message]
2014-06-24 14:08           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-06-24 15:30             ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 17:49   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 17:08   ` Jeff Cody

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