From: Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, benoit.canet@irqsave.net, pkrempa@redhat.com,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:32:59 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140624133259.GA5491@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140624024852.GD26197@T430.redhat.com>
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48:52AM +0800, Fam Zheng wrote:
> On Mon, 06/23 21:08, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:26:00PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:17:16PM +0800, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:53:48PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > > Let's discuss this topic in a sub-thread and figure out what to do for
> > > > QEMU 2.1. This is an important issue to solve before the release
> > > > because we can't change QMP command semantics easily later.
> > > >
> > > > My questions are:
> > > > a. How do we fix resize, snapshot-sync, etc? It seems like we need to
> > > > propagate child op blockers.
> > > >
> > > > b. Is it a good idea to perform op blocker checks on the root node?
> > > > It's inconsistent with resize, snapshot-sync, etc. Permissions in
> > > > BDS graphs with multiple root nodes (e.g. guest device and NBD
> > > > run-time server) will be different depending on which root you
> > > > specify.
> > >
> > > I don't think (b) is the ultimate solution. It is used as a stop-gap
> > > because op blockers in the current implementation is essentially
> > > analogous to the in-use flag. But is it good enough for 2.1? If
> > > *everything* checks the topmost node in 2.1, then I think we are OK in
> > > all cases except where images files share a common BDS.
> >
> > Checking op blockers on the root node as a stop-gap is a good idea.
> > Let's apply it across all commands (e.g. snapshot-sync, resize).
> >
> > Fam pointed out that this approach is vulnerable to blockdev-add, where
> > blockers could be set/checked on an incomplete BDS graph (since you can
> > add new nodes on top). Do we need to move the blockers up the graph if
> > a new root node is inserted?
>
> My concern is if we allow adding new root on top, it's not easy to know the
> real root then.
>
> To give an example:
>
> If we have
>
> [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0" blockers=...]
>
> When user does
>
> (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
>
> We should check drive0, which is OK.
>
> Then, assume user adds a new root on top, we would take care of moving the
> blockers:
>
> [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1" blockers=]
>
> At this point, what if user does something on drive0 again?
>
> (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
>
> The right thing to do is to check blockers on "drive1", since it's the real
> root now. But how do we know? Do we need to add a back reference pointer
> ->overlap_hd in BDS, or do we maintain a look up table, or do we search all BDS
> graphs to figure out?
>
> None is easier than if we put the blockers in the bottom BDS, in the first
> place:
>
> [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"]
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
I think you are right. If we place the blocker at the bottom-most
BDS, then that would be a more restrictive blocker. This may end up
being more restrictive than needed, but more importantly it should
make everything safe.
Also, it is an easy change for 2.1 - just call bdrv_find_base(bs), and
set/check/clear blockers on the returned BDS.
> Even if user adds a new root, we don't need to worry about moving blockers,
> because the bottom is not changed.
>
> [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1"]
>
> Checking the blockers are easy, either for drive0 or drive1: just follow the
> backing chain until getting to the end.
>
> Fam
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-24 13:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-17 21:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:53 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-18 13:13 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:31 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 12:30 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 17:03 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-20 4:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 12:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 02/10] block: add helper function to determine if a BDS is in a chain Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 6:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 10:24 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 03/10] block: simplify bdrv_find_base() and bdrv_find_overlay() Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 6:31 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 04/10] block: make 'top' argument to block-commit optional Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 22:25 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:56 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 6:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 05/10] block: Accept node-name arguments for block-commit Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:58 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 06/10] block: extend block-commit to accept a string for the backing file Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 7:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 07/10] block: add ability for block-stream to use node-name Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:06 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 08/10] block: add backing-file option to block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 09/10] block: Add QMP documentation for block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 10/10] block: add QAPI command to allow live backing file change Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:15 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 8:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 19:08 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 8:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 16:26 ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 16:49 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:54 ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] Op Blockers on child nodes (was Re: [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use) node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 12:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Kevin Wolf
2014-06-23 13:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 14:17 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 2:48 ` Fam Zheng
2014-06-24 13:32 ` Jeff Cody [this message]
2014-06-24 14:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-06-24 15:30 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 17:49 ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 17:08 ` Jeff Cody
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