qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Benoît Canet" <benoit.canet@irqsave.net>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: benoit.canet@irqsave.net, pkrempa@redhat.com,
	Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:30:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140624153053.GA20264@irqsave.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140624140857.GI3458@noname.redhat.com>

The Tuesday 24 Jun 2014 à 16:08:57 (+0200), Kevin Wolf wrote :
> Am 24.06.2014 um 15:32 hat Jeff Cody geschrieben:
> > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48:52AM +0800, Fam Zheng wrote:
> > > On Mon, 06/23 21:08, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:26:00PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:17:16PM +0800, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:53:48PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > > > > Let's discuss this topic in a sub-thread and figure out what to do for
> > > > > > QEMU 2.1.  This is an important issue to solve before the release
> > > > > > because we can't change QMP command semantics easily later.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My questions are:
> > > > > > a. How do we fix resize, snapshot-sync, etc?  It seems like we need to
> > > > > >    propagate child op blockers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > b. Is it a good idea to perform op blocker checks on the root node?
> > > > > >    It's inconsistent with resize, snapshot-sync, etc.  Permissions in
> > > > > >    BDS graphs with multiple root nodes (e.g. guest device and NBD
> > > > > >    run-time server) will be different depending on which root you
> > > > > >    specify.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think (b) is the ultimate solution.  It is used as a stop-gap
> > > > > because op blockers in the current implementation is essentially
> > > > > analogous to the in-use flag.  But is it good enough for 2.1?  If
> > > > > *everything* checks the topmost node in 2.1, then I think we are OK in
> > > > > all cases except where images files share a common BDS.
> > > > 
> > > > Checking op blockers on the root node as a stop-gap is a good idea.
> > > > Let's apply it across all commands (e.g. snapshot-sync, resize).
> > > > 
> > > > Fam pointed out that this approach is vulnerable to blockdev-add, where
> > > > blockers could be set/checked on an incomplete BDS graph (since you can
> > > > add new nodes on top).  Do we need to move the blockers up the graph if
> > > > a new root node is inserted?
> > > 
> > > My concern is if we allow adding new root on top, it's not easy to know the
> > > real root then.
> > > 
> > > To give an example:
> > > 
> > > If we have
> > > 
> > >     [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0" blockers=...]
> > > 
> > > When user does
> > > 
> > >     (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
> > > 
> > > We should check drive0, which is OK.
> > > 
> > > Then, assume user adds a new root on top, we would take care of moving the
> > > blockers:
> > > 
> > >     [base id=""] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1" blockers=]
> > > 
> > > At this point, what if user does something on drive0 again?
> > > 
> > >     (QMP) block-commit device="drive0" ...
> > > 
> > > The right thing to do is to check blockers on "drive1", since it's the real
> > > root now.  But how do we know? Do we need to add a back reference pointer
> > > ->overlap_hd in BDS, or do we maintain a look up table, or do we search all BDS
> > > graphs to figure out?
> > > 
> > > None is easier than if we put the blockers in the bottom BDS, in the first
> > > place:
> > > 
> > >     [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"]
> > >                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > 
> > 
> > I think you are right.  If we place the blocker at the bottom-most
> > BDS, then that would be a more restrictive blocker.  This may end up
> > being more restrictive than needed, but more importantly it should
> > make everything safe.
> > 
> > Also, it is an easy change for 2.1 - just call bdrv_find_base(bs), and
> > set/check/clear blockers on the returned BDS.
> 
> What does bdrv_find_base() return for e.g. quorum?

This will not work when unblocking a BDS loop like the one formed by drive-mirror
when replacing an arbitrary node.

> 
> Kevin
> 
> > > Even if user adds a new root, we don't need to worry about moving blockers,
> > > because the bottom is not changed.
> > > 
> > >     [base id="" blockers=...] <- [active id="drive0"] <- [active id="drive1"]
> > > 
> > > Checking the blockers are easy, either for drive0 or drive1: just follow the
> > > backing chain until getting to the end.
> > > 
> > > Fam
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-24 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-17 21:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:53   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-18 13:13     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:31       ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 12:30     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 17:03       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-20  4:24       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 12:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 02/10] block: add helper function to determine if a BDS is in a chain Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:27   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 10:24   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 03/10] block: simplify bdrv_find_base() and bdrv_find_overlay() Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 04/10] block: make 'top' argument to block-commit optional Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 22:25   ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:56     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19  6:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 05/10] block: Accept node-name arguments for block-commit Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:58   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 06/10] block: extend block-commit to accept a string for the backing file Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  7:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 07/10] block: add ability for block-stream to use node-name Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:06   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 08/10] block: add backing-file option to block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 09/10] block: Add QMP documentation for block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 10/10] block: add QAPI command to allow live backing file change Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:15   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 19:08       ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19  9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 16:26   ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 16:49     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:54       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 18:22       ` [Qemu-devel] Op Blockers on child nodes (was Re: [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use) node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 12:55       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Kevin Wolf
2014-06-23 13:08     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 14:17       ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24  2:48       ` Fam Zheng
2014-06-24 13:32         ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 14:08           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-06-24 15:30             ` Benoît Canet [this message]
2014-06-19 17:49   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 17:08   ` Jeff Cody

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20140624153053.GA20264@irqsave.net \
    --to=benoit.canet@irqsave.net \
    --cc=famz@redhat.com \
    --cc=jcody@redhat.com \
    --cc=kwolf@redhat.com \
    --cc=pkrempa@redhat.com \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    --cc=stefanha@gmail.com \
    --cc=stefanha@redhat.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).