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From: Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Levente Kurusa <lkurusa@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] vpc: support probing of fixed size images
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:10:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140815141056.GA20938@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53EE1273.7020303@redhat.com>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 08:00:19AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 08/15/2014 07:37 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> 
> > We can choose Markus's suggestion of using the file name to guess the
> > format. I don't really like it much, but it seems like a fair compromise
> > that doesn't hurt usability as much.
> 
> In other words, if a user gives a file a "known suffix", then it is
> their own fault if they made that file raw and the guest then happened
> to convert the file to the format matching the suffix?  Or would this
> start giving warnings if the known suffix doesn't match the probed contents?
>

(Eric, I should have cc'ed you on my last email, sorry)

Image this scenario:

    existing chain created a while ago, via:

        qemu-img create -f qcow2 foo.img 1G
        qemu-img create -f qcow2 -b foo.img bar.img 1G


User launches qemu by this commandline:

    qemu-kvm -drive file=bar.img,format=qcow2


Old behavior:

  | foo.img | <--- | bar.img |
  | (qcow2) |      | (qcow2) |

New behavior:

  | foo.img | <--- | bar.img |
  | (raw)   |      | (qcow2) |


So I think we want to make sure that we don't just fall back to raw
for unknown filename extensions.


> > 
> > If we don't want this, we can approach the problem from a different
> > angle: The problem is not probing per se, but that images probed as raw
> > can be written to by guests in a way that the next time they are probed
> > as something else.
> > 
> > What if we let the raw driver know that it was probed and then it
> > enables a check that returns -EIO for any write on the first 2k if that
> > write would make the image look like a different format?
> 
> Not entirely future-proof - as we add support for more formats over
> time, something that passes today could fail in the future.  Worse, a
> guest could exploit an older qemu to write a header that a newer qemu
> would reject.  But it does sound like an interesting approach
> (preventing the guest from doing something risky).
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-15 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-01 13:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] vpc: support probing of fixed size images Levente Kurusa
2014-08-01 13:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] block: format: pass down the current state to the format's probe function Levente Kurusa
2014-08-01 13:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] block: vpc: introduce vpc_check_signature function Levente Kurusa
2014-08-01 13:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] block: vpc: handle fixed size images in probe function Levente Kurusa
2014-08-12 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] vpc: support probing of fixed size images Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-08-12 13:35   ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-14 14:42     ` Levente Kurusa
2014-08-14 14:57       ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 10:55         ` Kevin Wolf
2014-08-15 11:21           ` Markus Armbruster
2014-08-15 12:28             ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 12:59               ` Markus Armbruster
2014-08-15 13:13               ` Eric Blake
2014-08-15 13:25                 ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 12:14           ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 13:19             ` Eric Blake
2014-08-15 13:37             ` Kevin Wolf
2014-08-15 13:52               ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 14:00               ` Eric Blake
2014-08-15 14:10                 ` Jeff Cody [this message]
2014-08-15 14:22                   ` Eric Blake
2014-08-15 14:51                     ` Jeff Cody
2014-08-15 14:42                 ` Kevin Wolf

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