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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>,
	Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Yasunori Goto <y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 5/6] raw-posix: Add full preallocation option
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:13:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140904131320.GJ772@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140904130713.GC1302@redhat.com>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:07:14PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:52:57PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 04.09.2014 um 14:45 hat Richard W.M. Jones geschrieben:
> > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:35:22PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > Please change the code to always write zeros for FULL,
> > > 
> > > How is this useful for anyone?  You don't know if the underlying SAN
> > > is going to detect these zeroes or combine these blocks together.
> > > It's just slow for no reason.
> > 
> > It's slow for the reason that the user has requested it. Do you doubt
> > that users can know what their backend is doing? Why are you insisting
> > on providing only the functionality that you personally need?
> 
> I'm not!  I'm trying to make sure we don't end up with a qemu
> interface which is useless for higher layers.  You're proposing
> preallocation=full which will be slow but not actually give any
> guarantees, or preallocation=meta which is going to be fast but may
> not work, and I'm saying that's a dumb interface that's not useful.

Agree, from my POV as an app maintainer, fallocate with automatically
fallback to zero'ing is really what we want to use. Having two separate
options which we have to explicitly try in turn, or only having the
slow option is really not what we want to use.

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-04 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-29  8:33 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 0/6] qcow2, raw: add preallocation=full Hu Tao
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 1/6] block: round up file size to nearest sector Hu Tao
2014-08-29 12:50   ` Eric Blake
2014-09-04  9:33     ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-02 21:21   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-04  9:43   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 2/6] block: don't convert file size to sector size Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:24   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-04  9:57   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-05  9:07     ` Hu Tao
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 3/6] rename parse_enum_option to qapi_enum_parse and make it public Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:27   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-03  1:30     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-04 10:03   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 4/6] qapi: introduce PreallocMode and a new PreallocMode full Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:32   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-03  1:31     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:51   ` Eric Blake
2014-09-03  1:35     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-04 12:17   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 5/6] raw-posix: Add full preallocation option Hu Tao
2014-08-29  8:48   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-09-03  1:26     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-04  8:32     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:45   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-03  1:55     ` Hu Tao
2014-09-04 12:35   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-04 12:45     ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-09-04 12:52       ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-04 13:07         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-09-04 13:13           ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2014-09-04 13:17           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-04 13:43             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-09-04 15:23               ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-04 15:33                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-08-29  8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v13 6/6] qcow2: " Hu Tao
2014-09-02 21:55   ` Max Reitz
2014-09-04 13:09   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-09-09  3:23     ` Hu Tao

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