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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	jcody@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:24:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141030092415.GA30746@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877fzi53jl.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:07:26AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 02:54:32PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:
> >> 
> >> > Am 28.10.2014 um 17:03 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> >> > Instead, let me try once more to sell my old proposal [1] from the
> >> > thread you mentioned:
> >> >
> >> >> What if we let the raw driver know that it was probed and then it
> >> >> enables a check that returns -EIO for any write on the first 2k if that
> >> >> write would make the image look like a different format?
> >> >
> >> > Attacks the problem where it arises instead of trying to detect the
> >> > outcome of it, and works in whatever way it is nested in the BDS graph
> >> > and whatever way is used to address the image file.
> >
> > I think this is too clever.  It's another thing to debug if a guest
> > starts hitting EIO.
> >
> > My opinion on probing is: it's ugly but let's leave it for QEMU 3.0 at
> > which point we implement Markus solution with exit(1).
> 
> I regard my patch as a necessary preliminary step for that.  Warn now,
> change behavior a couple of releases later.  When exactly is debatable.
> 
> > In the meantime the CVE has been known for a long time so vulnerable
> > users (VM hosting, cloud, etc) have the information they need.  Many are
> > automatically protected by libvirt.
> 
> The warning hopefully helps libvirt developers with keeping libvirt
> users fully protected.

I'm happy with this approach (haven't reviewed the patches in detail
yet).

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-30  9:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-28 16:03 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 16:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/2] block: Factor bdrv_probe_all() out of find_image_format() Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 16:34   ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 16:41   ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29 15:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-28 16:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/2] block: Warn on insecure format probing Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 17:02   ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 18:29     ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-28 18:56       ` Eric Blake
2014-10-28 19:42         ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29  7:36           ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29  8:25             ` Max Reitz
2014-10-29  7:22         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 13:58           ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-03  8:07             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29  7:03     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-28 18:33   ` Jeff Cody
2014-10-29  6:37     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30 13:52       ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-03  8:11         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29  1:16   ` Fam Zheng
2014-10-29  6:32     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 10:12   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-29 13:54     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-29 15:34       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-30  9:07         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30  9:24           ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2014-10-30 12:19             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-30  9:30       ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-30 12:49         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-10-31 11:19           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-31 22:45           ` Eric Blake
2014-11-03  8:15             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 11:13             ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04  9:36               ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 10:32                 ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-05  7:58                   ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 11:00           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04  9:39             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 16:09               ` Jeff Cody
2014-11-05  8:05                 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-05  8:09                   ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30  9:08   ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30  9:27     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-30  9:36       ` Kevin Wolf
2014-10-31 11:24         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-10-31 11:56           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-03  8:54             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03  9:11               ` Max Reitz
2014-11-04  9:34                 ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03 10:25               ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-03 15:05                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-03 15:13                   ` Max Reitz
2014-11-04  9:42                   ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-04 10:11                   ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-04 15:25                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-04 15:37                       ` Kevin Wolf
2014-11-05  8:39                         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-05 10:18                           ` Eric Blake
2014-10-30 13:02     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-11-03  8:44       ` Max Reitz
2014-10-30 20:45   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2014-11-03  8:18     ` Markus Armbruster

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