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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@parallels.com>
Cc: famz@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] persistent dirty bitmap: add QDB file spec.
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:02:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141201110243.GA4248@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54787899.7070403@parallels.com>

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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:28:57PM +0300, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> On 21.11.2014 19:55, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> >Active dirty bitmaps should migrate too.  I'm thinking now that the
> >appropriate thing is to add live migration of dirty bitmaps to QEMU
> >(regardless of whether they are active or not).
> I think, we should migrate named dirty bitmaps, which are not used now. So
> if some external mechanism uses the bitmap (for example - backup) - we
> actually can't migrate this process, because we will need to restore the
> whole backup structure including a pointer to the bitmap, which is too hard
> and includes not only bitmap migration.
> So, if named bitmap is enabled, but not used (only bdrv_aligned_pwritev
> writes to it) it can be migrated. For this I see the following solutions:
> 
> 1) Just save all corresponding pieces of named bitmaps with every migrated
> block. The block size is 1mb, so the overhead for migrating additionally a
> bitmap with 64kb granularity would be 2b, and it would be 256b for bitmap
> with 512b granularity. This approach needs additional fields in BlkMigBlock,
> for saving bitmaps pieces.

block-migration.c is not used for all live migration.  So it's important
not to tie dirty bitmap migration to block-migration.c, at least there
needs to be a way to skip actually copying disk contents in
block-migration.c.

(When there is shared storage that both source and destination hosts can
access then block-migration.c is not used.  Also, there is a newer
non-shared storage migration mechanism that is used instead of
block-migration.c which is not tied into the live migration data stream,
so block-migration.c is optional.)

> 2) Add DIRTY flag to migrated block flags, to distinguish blocks, which
> became dirty while migrating. Save all the bitmaps separately, and also
> update them on block_load, when we receive block with DIRTY flag on. Some
> information will be lost, migrated dirty bitmaps may be "more dirty" then
> original ones. This approach needs additional field "bool dirty" in
> BlkMigBlock, and saving this flag in blk_send.
> 
> These solutions don't depend on "persistence" of dirty bitmaps or persistent
> bitmap file format.

That's an important characteristic since we probably want to migrate
named dirty bitmaps, whether they are persistent or not.

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-01 11:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-11-18 10:54           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 00/10] block: Incremental backup series Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-18 13:09             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-18 14:41               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-18 16:08               ` John Snow
2014-11-19  6:25                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2014-11-20 10:34           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] persistent dirty bitmap: add QDB file spec Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-20 10:41             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-20 11:36               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-21 10:27                 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-21 16:55                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-11-24  9:19                     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-25 17:58                     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-28 13:28                     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-12-01 11:02                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2014-11-21 12:56                 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2014-11-21  0:24             ` Eric Blake

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