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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	qemu block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Jiang Yunhong <yunhong.jiang@intel.com>,
	Dong Eddie <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	qemu devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	Gonglei <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Yang Hongyang <yanghy@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	zhanghailiang <zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] [PATCH COLO v3 01/14] docs: block replication's description
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:55:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150423095509.GF8811@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <553769A1.8000509@cn.fujitsu.com>

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0800, Wen Congyang wrote:
> On 04/22/2015 05:18 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> On 21/04/2015 03:25, Wen Congyang wrote:
> >>>>> Please do not introduce "<name>+colo" block drivers.  This approach is
> >>>>> invasive and makes block replication specific to only a few block
> >>>>> drivers, e.g. NBD or qcow2.
> >>> NBD is used to connect to secondary qemu, so it must be used. But the primary
> >>> qemu uses quorum, so the primary disk can be any format.
> >>> The secondary disk is nbd target, and it can also be any format. The cache
> >>> disk(active disk/hidden disk) is an empty disk, and it is created before run
> >>> COLO. The cache disk format is qcow2 now. In theory, it can be ant format which
> >>> supports backing file. But the driver should be updated to support colo mode.
> >>>
> >>>> A cleaner approach is a QMP command or -drive options that work for any
> >>>> BlockDriverState.
> >>>
> >>> OK, I will add a new drive option to avoid use "<name>+colo".
> >>
> >> Actually I liked the "foo+colo" names.
> >>
> >> These are just internal details of the implementations and the
> >> primary/secondary disks actually can be any format.
> >>
> >> Stefan, what was your worry with the +colo block drivers?
> > 
> > Why does NBD need to know about COLO?  It should be possible to use
> > iSCSI or other protocols too.
> 
> Hmm, if you want to use iSCSI or other protocols, you should update the driver
> to implement block replication's control interface.
> 
> Currently, we only support nbd now.

I took a quick look at the NBD patches in this series, it looks like
they are a hacky way to make quorum dynamically reconfigurable.

In other words, what you really need is a way to enable/disable a quorum
child or even add/remove children at run-time.

NBD is not the right place to implement that.  Add APIs to quorum so
COLO code can use them.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting the patches, I only took a quick look...

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-23  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-03 10:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 00/14] Block replication for continuous checkpoints Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 01/14] docs: block replication's description Wen Congyang
2015-04-20 15:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-04-21  1:25     ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-21 15:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-22  9:18         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-04-22  9:28           ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-23  9:55             ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2015-04-23 10:11               ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-22  9:31         ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-22 10:12           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23  9:00             ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-23  9:14               ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-23 10:05                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23 10:17                   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-23 10:33                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23 10:40                       ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-23 10:44                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23 11:35                           ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-23 11:36                           ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-23 11:53                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23 12:05                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-04-23 12:11                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23 12:19                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-04-23 12:23                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-24  2:01                                       ` Fam Zheng
2015-04-24  2:16                                         ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-24  7:47                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-24  7:55                                             ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-24  8:58                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-04-24  9:04                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-24  9:38                                                   ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-24  9:36                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-24  9:53                                                       ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-24 10:03                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-27  9:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-04-29  8:29                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-29  8:37                                                           ` Gonglei
2015-04-30 14:56                                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-05-05 15:23                                                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-05-06  2:26                                                           ` Dong, Eddie
2015-05-06  2:49                                                             ` Fam Zheng
2015-05-08  8:42                                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-05-08  9:34                                                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-05-08  9:39                                                             ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08  9:55                                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-04-23  9:26               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-23  9:37                 ` Kevin Wolf
2015-04-23  9:41                 ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-22  9:29       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-04-22  9:42         ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-22 10:39   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 02/14] quorum: allow ignoring child errors Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 03/14] NBD client: connect to nbd server later Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 04/14] Add new block driver interfaces to control block replication Wen Congyang
2015-04-22 12:56   ` Eric Blake
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 05/14] quorum: implement block driver interfaces for " Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 06/14] NBD client: " Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 07/14] allow writing to the backing file Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 08/14] Allow creating backup jobs when opening BDS Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 11:06   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 09/14] block: Parse "backing_reference" option to reference existing BDS Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 10/14] util/hbitmap: Add an API to reset all set bits in hbitmap Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 11:05   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-01 16:47     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2015-05-07  2:20       ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-07 18:32         ` John Snow
2015-05-08  0:59           ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 11/14] Backup: clear all bitmap when doing block checkpoint Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 11:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-04-07  1:45     ` Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 12/14] qcow2: support colo Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 13/14] skip nbd_target when starting block replication Wen Congyang
2015-04-03 10:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH COLO v3 14/14] Don't allow a disk use backing reference target Wen Congyang

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