Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 1/3] arm/arm64: pageattr: add set_memory_nc

[Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:18:54PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:03:22AM +0100, Andrew Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > Another way would be to split the vma containing the non-cacheable
> > > memory so that you get a single vma with the vm_page_prot as
> > > Non-cacheable.
> > 
> > This sounds interesting. Actually, it even crossed my mind once when I
> > first saw that the vma would overwrite the attributes, but then, sigh,
> > I let my brain take a stupidity bath.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yet another approach could be for KVM to mmap the necessary memory for
> > > Qemu via a file_operations.mmap call (but that's only for ranges outside
> > > the guest "RAM").
> > 
> > I guess I prefer the vma splitting, rather than this (the vma creating
> > with mmap), as it keeps the KVM interface from changing (as you point out
> > below). Well, unless there are other advantages to this that are worth
> > considering?
> 
> The advantage is that you don't need to deal with the mm internals in
> the KVM code.
> 
> But you can probably add such code directly to mm/ and reuse some of the
> existing code in there already as part of change_protection(),
> mprotect_fixup(), sys_mprotect(). Actually, once you split the vma and
> set the new protection (something similar to mprotect_fixup), it looks
> to me like you can just call change_protection(vma->vm_page_prot).

I'll start playing around with this today.

> 
> > > I didn't have time to follow these threads in details, but just to
> > > recap my understanding, we have two main use-cases:
> > > 
> > > 1. Qemu handling guest I/O to device (e.g. PCIe BARs)
> > > 2. Qemu emulating device DMA
> > > 
> > > For (1), I guess Qemu uses an anonymous mmap() and then tells KVM about
> > > this memory slot. The memory attributes in this case could be Device
> > > because that's how the guest would normally map it. The
> > > file_operations.mmap trick would work in this case but this means
> > > expanding the KVM ABI beyond just an ioctl().
> > > 
> > > For (2), since Qemu is writing to the guest "RAM" (e.g. video
> > > framebuffer allocated by the guest), I still think the simplest is to
> > > tell the guest (via DT) that such device is cache coherent rather than
> > > trying to remap the Qemu mapping as non-cacheable.
> > 
> > If we need a solution for (1), then I'd prefer that it work and be
> > applied to (2) as well. Anyway, I'm still not 100% sure we can count on
> > all guest types (booloaders, different OSes) to listen to us. They may
> > assume non-cacheable is typical and safe, and thus just do that always.
> > We can certainly change some of those bootloaders and OSes, but probably
> > not all of them.
> 
> That's fine by me. Once you get the vma splitting and attributes
> changing done, I think you get the second one for free.
> 
> Do we want to differentiate between Device and Normal Non-cacheable
> memory? Something like KVM_MEMSLOT_DEVICE?
> 
> Nitpick: I'm not sure whether "uncached" is clear enough. In Linux,
> pgprot_noncached() returns Strongly Ordered memory. For Normal
> Non-cachable we used pgprot_writecombine (e.g. a video framebuffer).
> 
> Maybe something like KVM_MEMSLOT_COHERENT meaning a request to KVM to

Sounds good to me. I'll rename for the next round.

> ensure that guest and host access it coherently (which would mean
> writecombine for ARM). That's similar naming to functions like
> dma_alloc_coherent() that return cacheable or non-cacheable memory based
> on what the device supports. Anyway, I'm not to bothered with the
> naming.
>

Thanks for your help!

drew