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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Hervé Poussineau" <hpoussin@reactos.org>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio-pci: implement cfg capability
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 15:15:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150706151227-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <559A6EBC.4010004@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 06/07/2015 13:50, Peter Maydell wrote:
> > On 6 July 2015 at 11:31, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 11:04:24AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> >>> On 6 July 2015 at 11:03, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 10:11:18AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> >>>>> But address_space_rw() is just the "memcpy bytes to the
> >>>>> target's memory" operation -- if you have a pile of bytes
> >>>>> then there are no endianness concerns. If you don't have
> >>>>> a pile of bytes then you need to know the structure of
> >>>>> the data you're DMAing around, and you should probably
> >>>>> have a loop doing things with the specify-the-width functions.
> >>>
> >>>> Absolutely. But what if DMA happens to target another device
> >>>> and not memory? Device needs some endian-ness so it needs
> >>>> to be converted to that.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, and address_space_rw() already deals with conversion to
> >>> that device's specified endianness.
> > 
> >> Yes, but incorrectly if target endian != host endian.
> >> For example, LE target and LE device on BE host.
> > 
> > Having walked through the code, got confused, talked to
> > bonzini on IRC about it and got unconfused again,
> 
> Ah, *that discussion*.  So it was yet another XY question, :) but for
> the better because it also helped me abstract Michael's question.
> 
> Peter's analysis below summarizes the implementation very well.
> 
>  I believe
> > we do get this correct.
> > 
> >  * address_space_rw() takes a pointer to a pile of bytes
> >  * if the destination is RAM, we just memcpy them (because
> >    guest RAM is also a pile of bytes)
> >  * if the destination is a device, then we read a value
> >    out of the pile of bytes at whatever width the target
> >    device can handle. The functions we use for this are
> >    ldl_q/ldl_p/etc, which do "load target endianness"
> >    (ie "interpret this set of 4 bytes as if it were an
> >    integer in the target-endianness") because the API of
> >    memory_region_dispatch_write() is that it takes a uint64_t
> >    data whose contents are the value to write in target
> >    endianness order. (This is regrettably undocumented.)
> 
> ^^ And this is the part where "the endianness of the CPU->device
> bus/link" enters the picture.  But it doesn't matter if the source is
> instead another device.  What matters is that address_space_rw() manages
> conversion from a pile of bytes, and the device doing DMA provides
> that---a pile of bytes.
> 
> In the patch at the beginning of this thread, problems arose because
> what you passed to address_space_write wasn't just a "pile of bytes"
> coming from a network packet or a disk sector.  Instead, it was the
> outcome of a previous conversion from "pile of bytes" to "bytes
> representing an integer in little-endian format".  This conversion could
> have possibly included a byteswap.

Well, not really. It's a pile of bytes from guest POV.
And same thing happens if you read a pile of bytes
from RAM using address_space_read.

> Once you have established that the bytes represent an integer the right
> way to access them is to use ld*_p/st*_p and
> address_space_ld*/address_space_st*.  This ensures that you do an even
> number of further byteswaps; for *_le_p and address_space_*_le, there
> will be 0 further byteswaps on little-endian hosts and 2 on big-endian
> hosts.
> 
> Paolo

I believe this summarizes the implementation correctly.
I also argue that many devices use address_space_rw incorrectly
assuming it converts from host endian, simply because most
devices are written in host endian.



> >  * memory_region_dispatch_write() then calls adjust_endianness(),
> >    converting a target-endian value to the endianness the
> >    device says it requires
> >  * we then call the device's read/write functions, whose API
> >    is that they get a value in the endianness they asked for.
> > 
> >> IO callbacks always get a native endian format so they expect to get
> >> byte 0 of the buffer in MSB on this host.
> > 
> > IO callbacks get the format they asked for (which might
> > be BE, LE or target endianness). They will get byte 0 of
> > the buffer in the MSB if they said they were BE devices
> > (or if they said they were target-endian on a BE target).

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-06 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-02 13:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio-pci: implement cfg capability Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-02 18:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-02 19:00   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-02 19:02     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-04 21:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06  7:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-06  8:33           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06  8:46             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-06  9:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06  9:11                 ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-06 10:03                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06 10:04                     ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-06 10:31                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06 11:50                         ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-06 12:04                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-06 12:15                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2015-07-06 12:12                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-07-06 12:23                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-03  9:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann

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