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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Raushaniya Maksudova <rmaksudova@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/5] disk deadlines
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 12:07:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150908100717.GA4230@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55EEAB55.2070908@redhat.com>

Am 08.09.2015 um 11:33 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> 
> 
> On 08/09/2015 10:00, Denis V. Lunev wrote:
> > How the given solution works?
> > 
> > If disk-deadlines option is enabled for a drive, one controls time completion
> > of this drive's requests. The method is as follows (further assume that this
> > option is enabled).
> > 
> > Every drive has its own red-black tree for keeping its requests.
> > Expiration time of the request is a key, cookie (as id of request) is an
> > appropriate node. Assume that every requests has 8 seconds to be completed.
> > If request was not accomplished in time for some reasons (server crash or smth
> > else), timer of this drive is fired and an appropriate callback requests to
> > stop Virtial Machine (VM).
> > 
> > VM remains stopped until all requests from the disk which caused VM's stopping
> > are completed. Furthermore, if there is another disks with 'disk-deadlines=on'
> > whose requests are waiting to be completed, do not start VM : wait completion
> > of all "late" requests from all disks.
> > 
> > Furthermore, all requests which caused VM stopping (or those that just were not
> > completed in time) could be printed using "info disk-deadlines" qemu monitor
> > option as follows:
> 
> This topic has come up several times in the past.
> 
> I agree that the current behavior is not great, but I am not sure that
> timeouts are safe.  For example, how is disk-deadlines=on different from
> NFS soft mounts?

I think the main difference is that it stops the VM and only allows to
continue once the request has completed, either successfully or with a
final failure (if I understand the cover letter correctly, I haven't
looked at the patches yet).

Kevin

> The NFS man page says
> 
>      NB: A so-called "soft" timeout can cause silent data corruption in
>      certain cases.  As such, use the soft option only when client
>      responsiveness is more important than data integrity.  Using NFS
>      over TCP or increasing the value of the retrans option may
>      mitigate some of the risks of using the soft option.
> 
> Note how it only says "mitigate", not solve.
> 
> Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-08 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-08  8:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/5] disk deadlines Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] add QEMU style defines for __sync_add_and_fetch Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-10  8:19   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-08  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] disk_deadlines: add request to resume Virtual Machine Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-10  8:51   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-10 19:18     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-14 16:46       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-08  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] disk_deadlines: add disk-deadlines option per drive Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-10  9:05   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-08  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] disk_deadlines: add control of requests time expiration Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08  9:35   ` Fam Zheng
2015-09-08  9:42     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 11:06   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-08 11:27     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 13:05       ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-08 14:23         ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 14:48           ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-10 10:27             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-10 11:39               ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-14 16:53                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-25 12:34               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-09-28 12:42                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-28 13:55                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-09-08  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] disk_deadlines: add info disk-deadlines option Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 16:20   ` Eric Blake
2015-09-08 16:26     ` Eric Blake
2015-09-10 18:53       ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-10 19:13     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08  8:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/5] disk deadlines Vasiliy Tolstov
2015-09-08  9:20 ` Fam Zheng
2015-09-08 10:11   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-08 10:13     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 10:20     ` Fam Zheng
2015-09-08 10:46       ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 10:49       ` Kevin Wolf
2015-09-08 13:20         ` Fam Zheng
2015-09-08  9:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-08  9:41   ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08  9:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-08 10:37     ` Andrey Korolyov
2015-09-08 10:50       ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 10:07   ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2015-09-08 10:08     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 10:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-09-08 10:26     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-08 10:36     ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-09-08 19:11 ` John Snow
2015-09-10 19:29 ` [Qemu-devel] Summary: " Denis V. Lunev

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