From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34408) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhyOG-000532-3m for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 07:20:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhyOC-0000d9-45 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 07:20:40 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:47964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhyOB-0000bk-TN for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 07:20:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:20:31 +0200 From: Kevin Wolf Message-ID: <20151002112031.GC4373@noname.redhat.com> References: <20150929131109.GI3810@work-vm> <20150929133124.GK3810@work-vm> <8737xw9wl2.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> <20150930081441.GB2627@work-vm> <560D0C9A.1020300@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <560D0C9A.1020300@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] feature idea: allow user to run custom scripts List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: Peter Maydell , qemu-devel qemu-devel , Michael Roth , Markus Armbruster , Programmingkid , Peter Crosthwaite , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" Am 01.10.2015 um 12:36 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben: > > > On 30/09/2015 16:23, Programmingkid wrote: > >> We clearly don't have the > >> active maintainer and review capacity to do anything serious with > >> "ui/" (MAINTAINERS lists everything except SPICE as Odd Fixes). > > > > This could be changed. > > Sure it could. Who's going to do the work? I think he's talking about himself. > >> This is why I tend to agree with Markus' opinion here: we should > >> provide enough graphical UI to make raw QEMU minimally usable, > >> and leave further user-friendliness to other projects which have > >> more direct interest in that. > >> > >> If we had more regular contributors who were actively interested > >> in improving our UI layer my opinion might be different. > > > > It is really hard for more contributors to come when the maintainers > > keep discouraging them. > > Submitting patches is never discouraged. Endless email threads are. To be fair, I can see how it is discouraging when you post patches and they either get ignored or people start arguing that you are implementing something that you shouldn't be implementing because doing GUI work is bad. The latter is what causes endless email threads. And you can already see the result: Instead of patches, we now only get the question whether patches improving the UI would be acceptable at all (and worse, people even answer no). Why don't we just let him maintain the OS X GUI and accept the patches, even if they aren't perfect and even if they mean committing the crime of improving user friendliness? It's one of those neglected areas in our code base and we should be glad that someone is interested in keeping it working and improving it. Kevin