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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <somlo@cmu.edu>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, paul@pwsan.com, zajec5@gmail.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, jordan.l.justen@intel.com,
	kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	agross@codeaurora.org, will.deacon@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, leif.lindholm@linaro.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org,
	matt.fleming@intel.com, mst@redhat.com, hanjun.guo@linaro.org,
	galak@codeaurora.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, lersek@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] SysFS driver for QEMU fw_cfg device
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:56:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151005125647.GL19064@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151005124346.GG1977@HEDWIG.INI.CMU.EDU>

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Gabriel L. Somlo wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 01:23:33PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 05/10/2015 12:00, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > > Some of the keys in the example look like they'd come from other sources
> > > > (e.g. the *-tables entries), while others look like kernel/bootloader
> > > > configuration options (e.g. etc/boot-fail-wait, bootorder) -- I'm
> > > > concerned about redundancy here.
> > > 
> > > The redundancy is because the firmware and the bootloader actually
> > > _consume_ these fw_cfg strings to produce the others (the ACPI tables,
> > > the kernel configuration options).
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, hiding some strings just because they ought to have
> > > been consumed already makes little sense.
> > 
> > Sure. However, I'm concerned that providing redundant interfaces for
> > those could lead to people grabbing information from here (because it's
> > convenient) rather than the existing canonical locations, which means we
> > get more software that works on fewer systems for no good reason.
> > 
> > What I couldn't figure out was what _additional_ information this
> > provided; it looked like a mixed bag of details we could already get
> > from disparate sources. If that's all it does, then it seems to me like
> > it doesn't add any benefit and potentially makes things worse.
> > 
> > So what do we get from this interface that we cannot get elsewhere, and
> > why is this the best way of exposing it?
> 
> Starting with qemu 2.4, it is possible to insert arbitrary named
> blobs into fw_cfg from the qemu command line. *Those* entries
> might be interesting to userspace, which is why it might be handy
> to access to fw_cfg blobs in general.

So this is a mechanism to pass arbitrary key:value pairs to a guest
userspace? What would those be used for, and why would this be the
correct location for that?

How do we avoid clashes between user-selected names and those we need to
pass actual FW data?

Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-05 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-03 23:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] SysFS driver for QEMU fw_cfg device Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-03 23:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/4] firmware: introduce sysfs driver for QEMU's " Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-04  1:34   ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-06  8:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-10-06 12:53   ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-10-06 17:54   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-06 18:17     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-03 23:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/4] firmware: use acpi to detect QEMU fw_cfg device for sysfs fw_cfg driver Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-04  7:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-04 20:24     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-04 20:27       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-03 23:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/4] kobject: export kset_find_obj() for module use Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-03 23:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/4] firmware: create directory hierarchy for sysfs fw_cfg entries Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 10:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] SysFS driver for QEMU fw_cfg device Mark Rutland
2015-10-05 11:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-05 12:23     ` Mark Rutland
2015-10-05 12:43       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 12:56         ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2015-10-05 13:21           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 12:40   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 12:50     ` Peter Maydell
2015-10-05 13:13       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 13:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-04 20:48         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2015-10-05 13:05     ` Mark Rutland
2015-10-06  7:18       ` Laszlo Ersek

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