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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Tkid <zhangchen.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	lizhijian@cn.fujitsu.com, jan.kiszka@siemens.com,
	eddie.dong@intel.com, peter.huangpeng@huawei.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, arei.gonglei@huawei.com, luis@cs.umu.se,
	stefanha@redhat.com, guijianfeng@cn.fujitsu.com,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [POC]colo-proxy in qemu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:03:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111090300.GA2430@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5642B17C.3050903@redhat.com>

* Jason Wang (jasowang@redhat.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/10/2015 05:41 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Jason Wang (jasowang@redhat.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/10/2015 01:26 PM, Tkid wrote:
> >>> Hi,all
> >>>
> >>> We are planning to reimplement colo proxy in userspace (Here is in
> >>> qemu) to
> >>> cache and compare net packets.This module is one of the important
> >>> components
> >>> of COLO project and now it is still in early stage, so any comments and
> >>> feedback are warmly welcomed,thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> ## Background
> >>> COLO FT/HA (COarse-grain LOck-stepping Virtual Machines for Non-stop
> >>> Service)
> >>> project is a high availability solution. Both Primary VM (PVM) and
> >>> Secondary VM
> >>> (SVM) run in parallel. They receive the same request from client, and
> >>> generate
> >>> responses in parallel too. If the response packets from PVM and SVM are
> >>> identical, they are released immediately. Otherwise, a VM checkpoint
> >>> (on demand)
> >>> is conducted.
> >>> Paper:
> >>> http://www.socc2013.org/home/program/a3-dong.pdf?attredirects=0
> >>> COLO on Xen:
> >>> http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/COLO_-_Coarse_Grain_Lock_Stepping
> >>> COLO on Qemu/KVM:
> >>> http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/COLO
> >>>
> >>> By the needs of capturing response packets from PVM and SVM and
> >>> finding out
> >>> whether they are identical, we introduce a new module to qemu
> >>> networking called
> >>> colo-proxy.
> >>>
> >>> This document describes the design of the colo-proxy module
> >>>
> >>> ## Glossary
> >>>   PVM - Primary VM, which provides services to clients.
> >>>   SVM - Secondary VM, a hot standby and replication of PVM.
> >>>   PN - Primary Node, the host which PVM runs on
> >>>   SN - Secondary Node, the host which SVM runs on
> >>>
> >>> ## Our Idea ##
> >>>
> >>> COLO-Proxy
> >>> COLO-Proxy is a part of COLO,based on qemu net filter and it's a
> >>> plugin for
> >>> qemu net filter.the function keep SVM connect normal to PVM and compare
> >>> PVM's packets to SVM's packets.if difference,notify COLO do checkpoint.
> >>>
> >>> == Workflow ==
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> +--+                                      +--+
> >>> |PN|                                      |SN|
> >>> +-----------------------+                 +-----------------------+
> >>> | +-------------------+ |                 | +-------------------+ |
> >>> | |                   | |                 | |                   | |
> >>> | |        PVM        | |                 | |        SVM        | |
> >>> | |                   | |                 | |                   | |
> >>> | +--+-^--------------+ |                 | +-------------^----++ |
> >>> |    | |                |                 |               |    |  |
> >>> |    | | +------------+ |                 | +-----------+ |    |  |
> >>> |    | | |    COLO    | |    (socket)     | |    COLO   | |    |  |
> >>> |    | | | CheckPoint +---------------------> CheckPoint| |    |  |
> >>> |    | | |            | |      (6)        | |           | |    |  |
> >>> |    | | +-----^------+ |                 | +-----------+ |    |  |
> >>> |    | |   (5) |        |                 |               |    |  |
> >>> |    | |       |        |                 |               |    |  |
> >>> | +--v-+--------------+ | Forward(socket) | +-------------+----v+ |
> >>> | |COLO Proxy  |      +-------+(1)+--------->seq&ack adjust(2)| | |
> >>> | |      +-----+------+ |                 | +-----------------+ | |
> >>> | |      | Compare(4) <-------+(3)+---------+     COLO Proxy    | |
> >>> | +-------------------+ | Forward(socket) | +-------------------+ |
> >>> ++Qemu+-----------------+                 ++Qemu+-----------------+
> >>>            | ^
> >>>            | |
> >>>            | |
> >>>   +--------v-+--------+
> >>>   |                   |
> >>>   |      Client       |
> >>>   |                   |
> >>>   +-------------------+
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (1)When PN receive client packets,PN COLO-Proxy copy and forward
> >>> packets to
> >>> SN COLO-Proxy.
> >>> (2)SN COLO-Proxy record PVM's packet inital seq & adjust client's ack,send
> >>> adjusted packets to SVM
> >>> (3)SN Qemu COLO-Proxy recieve SVM's packets and forward to PN Qemu
> >>> COLO-Proxy.
> >>> (4)PN Qemu COLO-Proxy enqueue SVM's packets and enqueue PVM's packets,then
> >>> compare PVM's packets data with SVM's packets data. If packets is
> >>> different, compare
> >>> module notify COLO CheckPoint module to do a checkpoint then send
> >>> PVM's packets to
> >>> client and drop SVM's packets, otherwise, just send PVM's packets to
> >>> client and
> >>> drop SVM's packets.
> >>> (5)notify COLO-Checkpoint module checkpoint is needed
> >>> (6)Do COLO-Checkpoint
> >>>
> >>> ### QEMU space TCP/IP stack(Based on SLIRP) ###
> >>> We need a QEMU space TCP/IP stack to help us to analysis packet. After
> >>> looking
> >>> into QEMU, we found that SLIRP
> >>>
> >>> http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking#User_Networking_.28SLIRP.29
> >>>
> >>> is a good choice for us. SLIRP proivdes a full TCP/IP stack within
> >>> QEMU, it can
> >>> help use to handle the packet written to/read from backend(tap) device
> >>> which is
> >>> just like a link layer(L2) packet.
> >>>
> >>> ### Packet enqueue and compare ###
> >>> Together with QEMU space TCP/IP stack, we enqueue all packets sent by
> >>> PVM and
> >>> SVM on Primary QEMU, and then compare the packet payload for each
> >>> connection.
> >>>
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> Just have the following questions in my mind (some has been raised in
> >> the previous rounds of discussion without a conclusion):
> >>
> >> - What's the plan for management layer? The setup seems complicated so
> >> we could not simply depend on user to do each step. (And for security
> >> reason, qemu was usually run as unprivileged user)
> > It's certainly easier than the current COLO code that relies on a very
> > complex set of bridges, extra network interfaces and kernel modules.
> > UMU  (cc'd) have been working on a libvirt set that starts COLO up, although
> > one bit that's very messy is the curretn kernel based network comparison
> > code.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> >> - What's the plan for vhost? Userspace network in qemu is rather slow,
> >> most user will choose vhost.
> >> - What if application generate packet based on hwrng device? This will
> >> produce always different packets.
> > Yes, there are cases this happens - COLO's worst case is similar to simple
> > checkpointing (because it has a limit to the smallest checkpoint), but it's
> > best case is much better, on a compute heavy load, it ends up taking
> > a checkpoint very rarely.
> > Actually the big problem is where randomness occurs in unexpected places,
> > e.g. where things like Perl's hash randomisation means that the two
> > hosts produce the same data in different orders. 
> 
> Not familiar with this, but unlike the hwrng, if the random data was
> computed by software, after a synchronization, it still has the
> possibility to produce the same result for a while.

The hwrng, variation in tsc or anything else that feeds the entropy pool
can do cause the divergence.

> >> - Not sure SLIRP is perfect matched for this task. As has been raised, 
> >> another method is to decouple the packet comparing from qemu. In this
> >> way, lots of open source userspace stack could be used.
> >> - Haven't read the code of packet comparing, but if it needs to keep
> >> track the state of each connection, it could be easily DOS from guest.
> > The guest can only break it's own networking; so shooting itself in the foot
> > is no big deal.
> >
> > Dave
> 
> The question is for the packet comparing, if the number of connections
> in guest exceed the maximum connections it could track, what will it do? 

The slow case choice is to just force simple checkpointing mode.
However, I don't think this case is any different from the kernel's stateful
connection tracking used in iptables for firewalling.

Dave

> 
> >
> >> Thanks
> > --
> > Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
> >
> 
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10  5:26 [Qemu-devel] [POC]colo-proxy in qemu Tkid
2015-11-10  7:35 ` Jason Wang
2015-11-10  8:30   ` zhanghailiang
2015-11-11  2:28     ` Jason Wang
2015-11-10  9:35   ` Tkid
2015-11-11  3:04     ` Jason Wang
2015-11-10  9:41   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-11-11  3:09     ` Jason Wang
2015-11-11  9:03       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2015-11-11  1:23   ` Dong, Eddie
2015-11-11  3:26     ` Jason Wang
2015-11-10 10:54 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-11-11  2:46   ` Zhang Chen
2015-11-13 12:33     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-07-20  6:42 [Qemu-devel] [POC] colo-proxy " Li Zhijian
2015-07-20 10:32 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-07-20 11:55   ` zhanghailiang
2015-07-20 13:12     ` Vasiliy Tolstov
2015-07-20 15:01       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-07-21  1:59         ` zhanghailiang
2015-07-28 22:13           ` Samuel Thibault
2015-07-21  6:13         ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-21  9:49           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-07-27 10:13             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2015-07-27 11:24               ` zhanghailiang
2015-07-27 11:31                 ` Samuel Thibault
2015-07-27 13:33               ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-28 22:12                 ` Samuel Thibault
2015-07-29  7:36                   ` Jan Kiszka
2015-07-20 12:02   ` Li Zhijian
2015-07-24  2:04   ` Dong, Eddie
2015-07-24  2:12     ` Jason Wang
2015-07-24  8:04       ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27  3:24         ` Jason Wang
2015-07-27  3:54           ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27  4:49             ` Jason Wang
2015-07-27  5:51               ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27  7:37                 ` Jason Wang
2015-07-27  7:49                   ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27  8:06                     ` Jason Wang
2015-07-27  8:22                       ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27  7:53                 ` Jason Wang
2015-07-27  8:17                   ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-27 18:33                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-27 10:40         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-27 13:39           ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-24  2:05 ` Dong, Eddie
2015-07-30  4:23 ` Jason Wang
2015-07-30  7:16   ` Gonglei
2015-07-30  7:47     ` Dong, Eddie
2015-07-30  8:03       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-30  8:15         ` Jason Wang
2015-07-30 11:56           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-30 12:10             ` Gonglei
2015-07-30 12:30               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-30 12:42                 ` zhanghailiang
2015-07-30 13:59                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-30 15:17                     ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-30 17:53                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-07-31  1:08                         ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-31  1:28                           ` zhanghailiang
2015-07-31  1:31                             ` Yang Hongyang
2015-07-31  1:26                         ` zhanghailiang

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