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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>, Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] [PATCH 00/10] qcow2: Implement image locking
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:34:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151223123419.GK20028@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151223121549.GA6247@rkaganb.sw.ru>

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 03:15:50PM +0300, Roman Kagan wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:47:22AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:14:12AM +0800, Fam Zheng wrote:
> > > As an alternative, can we introduce .bdrv_flock() in protocol drivers, with
> > > similar semantics to flock(2) or lockf(3)? That way all formats can benefit,
> > > and a program crash will automatically drop the lock.
> > 
> > FWIW, the libvirt locking daemon (virtlockd) will already attempt to take
> > out locks using fcntl()/lockf() on all disk images associated with a VM.
> 
> Is it even possible without QEMU cooperating?  In particular in complex
> cases with e.g. backing chains?
> 
> This was exactly the reason why we designed the "lock" option to take an
> argument describing the locking mechanism to be used (see the tentative
> patchset Denis posted in this thread).  The only one currently
> implemented is flock()-based; however it can be extended to other
> mechanisms like network / cluster / SAN lock managers, etc.  In
> particular, it can be made to talk to virtlockd.

NB, libvirt generally considers QEMU to be untrustworthy, which is
another reason why we use virtlockd to acquire the locks *prior*
to granting QEMU any access to the file(s). On this basis we would
not really trust QEMU to do acquire/release locks itself by talking
to virtlockd. Indeed, we'd not really trust QEMU locking at all, no
matter what mechanism it used - we want strong guarantee of locking
regardless of whether QEMU is broken / compromised.

Regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-23 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-22 16:46 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/10] qcow2: Implement image locking Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/10] qcow2: Write feature table only for v3 images Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 20:20   ` Eric Blake
2016-01-11 15:20     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/10] qcow2: Write full header on image creation Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 20:25   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/10] block: Assert no write requests under BDRV_O_INCOMING Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 20:27   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/10] block: Fix error path in bdrv_invalidate_cache() Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 20:31   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/10] block: Inactivate BDS when migration completes Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 20:43   ` Eric Blake
2016-01-05 20:21     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2016-01-13 14:25       ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-13 16:35         ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/10] qemu-img: Prepare for locked images Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 16:57   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-22 17:00     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 21:06   ` Eric Blake
2016-01-11 15:49     ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-11 16:05       ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-12 15:20         ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-12 17:36           ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-13  8:44             ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-13 14:19               ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-14 13:07                 ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-14 14:19                   ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-11 16:22     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 21:41   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/10] qcow2: Implement .bdrv_inactivate Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 21:17   ` Eric Blake
2016-01-11 15:34     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/10] qcow2: Fix BDRV_O_INCOMING handling in qcow2_invalidate_cache() Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 21:22   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/10] qcow2: Make image inaccessible after failed qcow2_invalidate_cache() Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 21:24   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-22 16:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/10] qcow2: Add image locking Kevin Wolf
2015-12-22 22:04   ` Eric Blake
2015-12-23  3:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/10] qcow2: Implement " Fam Zheng
2015-12-23  7:35   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  7:46     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/5] generic image locking and crash recovery Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  7:46       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] block: added lock image option and callback Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 23:48         ` Eric Blake
2016-01-11 17:31         ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-11 17:58           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-11 18:35             ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-13  8:52               ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-13  9:12                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-13  9:50                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-13  9:51               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-12  5:38           ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-12 10:10             ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-12 11:33               ` Fam Zheng
2016-01-12 12:24                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-12 12:28                 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-12 13:17                   ` Fam Zheng
2016-01-12 13:24                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-13  0:08                       ` Fam Zheng
2016-01-12 15:59                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-13  0:10                   ` Fam Zheng
2016-01-13 16:44                     ` Eric Blake
2016-01-14  7:23                       ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  7:46       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] block: implemented bdrv_lock_image for raw file Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 12:40         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-23  7:46       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] block: added check image option and callback bdrv_is_opened_unclean Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  9:09         ` Fam Zheng
2015-12-23  9:14           ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  7:46       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] qcow2: implemented bdrv_is_opened_unclean Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-11 17:37         ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-23  7:46       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] block/paralels: added paralles implementation for bdrv_is_opened_unclean Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23  8:09       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/5] generic image locking and crash recovery Fam Zheng
2015-12-23  8:36         ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 10:47   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/10] qcow2: Implement image locking Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-23 12:15     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Roman Kagan
2015-12-23 12:29       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-23 12:41         ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 12:46           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-23 12:34       ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2015-12-23 12:47         ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 12:56           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-11 17:14     ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2016-01-11 17:54       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-01-13  8:56       ` Markus Armbruster
2016-01-13  9:11         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 23:19   ` [Qemu-devel] " Max Reitz
2015-12-24  5:41     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-24  5:42       ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-04 17:02       ` Max Reitz
2016-01-11 16:47       ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-11 17:56         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-12-23 14:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Vasiliy Tolstov
2015-12-23 15:08   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-23 15:11     ` Vasiliy Tolstov
2016-01-11 16:25       ` Kevin Wolf
2015-12-23 15:09   ` Denis V. Lunev
2015-12-24  5:43 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-11 16:33   ` Kevin Wolf
2016-01-11 16:38     ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-14 14:01 ` Max Reitz

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