From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Marc-André Lureau" <mlureau@redhat.com>,
"Cam Macdonell" <cam@cs.ualberta.ca>,
"Claudio Fontana" <claudio.fontana@huawei.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
"David Marchand" <david.marchand@6wind.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] ivshmem migration restrictions and bugs
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:03:16 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160225130315.GD2163@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d1rlua15.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>
* Markus Armbruster (armbru@redhat.com) wrote:
> TL;DR: I recommend to stay away from migration when using chardev=...
>
> ivshmem migration is messed up in several entertaining ways.
>
> = General lossage =
>
> G1. Migrating more than one peer doesn't work, but that's a (badly)
> documented restriction, not a bug (see documentation of property
> "role" in qemu-doc.texi). If you migrate more than one, the shared
> memory can get messed up.
>
> G2. If peers connect on the destination before migration is complete,
> the shared memory can get messed up. This isn't even badly
> documented.
>
> Management applications can deal with this in principle.
>
> = Lossage with MSI-X (msi=on) =
>
> M1. s->intrstatus and s->intrmask (registers INTRSTATUS and INTRMASK)
> are not migrated, even though they have guest-visible contents.
> They reset to zero instead. Wrong, but unlikely to cause trouble,
> because the registers are inert in this configuration.
>
> There's nothing management applications can do about this.
>
> = Lossage with interrupts (chardev=...) =
>
> I1. s->vm_id (register IVPOSITION) is not migrated. It briefly changes
> to -1, then to whatever ID the server on the destination assigns.
> To get the same ID back, you must carefully control the order in
> which devices connect to the server on the destination: if this
> device was the n-th to connect on the source, it must also be the
> n-th on the destination.
>
> We can hope that the guest reads IVPOSITION rarely or not at all
> after device driver initialization, so the temporary change to -1
> will be overlooked most of the time.
>
> I2. If the shared memory's ramblock arrives at the destination before
> shared memory setup completes, migration fails. Shared memory setup
> completes shortly after the shared memory is received from the
> server.
>
> I3. If migration completes before the shared memory setup completes on
> the source, shared memory contents is lost (zeroed?). I don't yet
> know what happens when shared memory setup completes during
> migration.
>
> G2 + I1 implies that you can only migrate the peer with ID zero.
> Management applications need make sure the device with role=master
> connects first both on source and destination, which seems feasible.
>
> There's nothing management applications can do about the temporary
> IVPOSITION change (I1).
>
> There is no known way for a management application to wait for shared
> memory setup to complete.
>
> Migration failure due to I2 is recoverable: restart the server on the
> destination, and retry the migration with a bit more time between
> running the destination QEMU and the migrate command. The server
> restart is necessary to preserve ID zero.
>
> I'm not aware of a way to guard against or mitigate I3. Fortunately,
> shared memory setup should almost always win the race.
>
> = What can we do about it? =
>
> G1 and G2 are a matter of improving documentation.
>
> M1 is easy enough to fix, if we care.
>
> That leaves I1, I2 and I3. Common root cause: we don't finish setup in
> realize(), we merely arrange for messages from the server to be received
> and processed. This exposes both guest and migration to an incompletely
> set up device.
>
> Completing setup right in realize() would be simpler and race-free.
> However, it could also make realize() hang waiting for a hung server.
> Probably okay for -device, but what about hot plug?
>
> If it's not okay, we could split ivshmem into a frontend and a backend.
> Hot plug could create the backend asynchronously, wait for it to
> complete, then create the frontend / device model. Command line would
> have to create the backend synchronously, of course.
How can you tell when 'shared memory setup' is complete?
You could delay starting incoming migration on the destination or starting
a migration on the source until that setup is complete.
Dave
>
> Other ideas?
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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2016-02-24 20:29 [Qemu-devel] ivshmem migration restrictions and bugs Markus Armbruster
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