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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Changlong Xie <xiecl.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
	zhanghailiang <zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com>,
	qemu block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Jiang Yunhong <yunhong.jiang@intel.com>,
	Dong Eddie <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	qemu devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	Gonglei <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v12 2/3] quorum: implement bdrv_add_child() and bdrv_del_child()
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 10:48:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160318104807.GC2246@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56EB6E5D.9040207@cn.fujitsu.com>

* Wen Congyang (wency@cn.fujitsu.com) wrote:
> On 03/17/2016 07:25 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Wen Congyang (wency@cn.fujitsu.com) wrote:
> >> On 03/17/2016 06:07 PM, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> >>> On Thu 17 Mar 2016 10:56:09 AM CET, Wen Congyang wrote:
> >>>>> We should have the failure modes documented, and how you'll use it
> >>>>> after failover etc Without that it's really difficult to tell if this
> >>>>> naming is right.
> >>>>
> >>>> For COLO, children.0 is the real disk, children.1 is replication
> >>>> driver.  After failure, children.1 will be removed by the user. If we
> >>>> want to continue do COLO, we need add a new children.1 again.
> >>>
> >>> What if children.0 fails ?
> >>
> >> For COLO, reading from children.1 always fails. if children.0 fails, it
> >> means that reading from the disk fails. The guest vm will see the I/O error.
> > 
> > How do we get that to cause a fail over before the guest detects it?
> > If the primary's local disk (children.0) fails then if we can failover
> > at that point then the guest carries running on the secondary without
> > ever knowing about the failure.
> 
> COLO is not designed for such case. The children.0 can also be quorum, so
> you can add more than one real disk, and get more reliability. Another
> choice is that, the real disk is an external storage, and it has
> its own replication solution.
> 
> COLO is designed for such case: the host is crashed, and the guest is still
> alive after failover, the client doesn't know this event.

That seems an odd limitation; the only thing needed for COLO to survive a disk
failure on the primary would be to ensure that the primary fails/triggers failover
if access to the local disk fails and to do it before the IO result is returned to
the guest.

Dave

> 
> Thanks
> Wen Congyang
> 
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Wen Congyang
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Berto
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
> > 
> > 
> > .
> > 
> 
> 
> 
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-18 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-10  2:49 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v12 0/3] qapi: child add/delete support Changlong Xie
2016-03-10  2:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v12 1/3] Add new block driver interface to add/delete a BDS's child Changlong Xie
2016-03-10 14:57   ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-11  1:17     ` Changlong Xie
2016-03-10  2:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v12 2/3] quorum: implement bdrv_add_child() and bdrv_del_child() Changlong Xie
2016-03-11 12:21   ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-14  1:33     ` Changlong Xie
2016-03-14  6:02     ` Changlong Xie
2016-03-16 12:38       ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-17  1:22         ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-17  9:10           ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-17  9:44             ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-17  9:48               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-17  9:56                 ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-17  9:59                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-17 10:07                   ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-17 10:23                     ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-17 11:25                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-18  2:56                         ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-18 10:48                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2016-03-29 15:38                   ` Max Reitz
2016-03-29 15:44                     ` Eric Blake
2016-03-29 15:50                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-29 15:52                         ` Max Reitz
2016-03-29 15:54                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-29 15:59                             ` Max Reitz
2016-03-29 16:03                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-29 16:09                                 ` Max Reitz
2016-03-29 17:33                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-29 15:51                       ` Max Reitz
2016-03-30 11:39                         ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-30 15:07                           ` Max Reitz
2016-03-31 11:42                             ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-31 12:31                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-04-01 15:20                               ` Max Reitz
2016-04-06  7:48                                 ` Wen Congyang
2016-04-11  5:18                             ` Changlong Xie
2016-04-12 16:21                               ` Max Reitz
2016-03-16  2:10     ` Wen Congyang
2016-03-10  2:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v12 3/3] qmp: add monitor command to add/remove a child Changlong Xie
2016-03-11 12:48   ` Alberto Garcia
2016-03-28  6:09   ` Changlong Xie

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