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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@huawei.com>
To: "Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>
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	Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@huawei.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC Design Doc]Speed up live migration by skipping free pages
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:56:05 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160324015605.GC14956@linux-gk3p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F2CBF3009FA73547804AE4C663CAB28E0415B154@shsmsx102.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 01:32:25AM +0000, Li, Liang Z wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >6. Handling page cache in the guest The memory used for page
>> >> >> >cache in the guest will change depends on the workload, if guest
>> >> >> >run some block IO intensive work load, there will
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would this improvement benefit a lot when guest only has little free
>> page?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, the improvement is very obvious.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Good to know this.
>> >>
>> >> >> In your Performance data Case 2, I think it mimic this kind of case.
>> >> >> While the memory consuming task is stopped before migration. If it
>> >> >> continues, would we still perform better than before?
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, my RFC patch didn't consider the page cache, Roman raised
>> >> >this
>> >> issue.
>> >> >so I add this part in this doc.
>> >> >
>> >> >Case 2 didn't mimic this kind of scenario, the work load is an
>> >> >memory consuming work load, not an block IO intensive work load, so
>> >> >there are not many page cache in this case.
>> >> >
>> >> >If the work load in case 2 continues, as long as it not write all
>> >> >the memory it allocates, we still can get benefits.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Sounds I have little knowledge on page cache, and its relationship
>> >> between free page and I/O intensive work.
>> >>
>> >> Here is some personal understanding, I would appreciate if you could
>> >> correct me.
>> >>
>> >>                 +---------+
>> >>                 |PageCache|
>> >>                 +---------+
>> >>       +---------+---------+---------+---------+
>> >>       |Page     |Page     |Free Page|Page     |
>> >>       +---------+---------+---------+---------+
>> >>
>> >> Free Page is a page in the free_list, PageCache is some page cached
>> >> in CPU's cache line?
>> >
>> >No, page cache is quite different with CPU cache line.
>> >" In computing, a page cache, sometimes also called disk cache,[2] is a
>> >transparent cache  for the pages originating from a secondary storage
>> device such as a hard disk drive (HDD).
>> > The operating system keeps a page cache in otherwise unused portions
>> >of the main  memory (RAM), resulting in quicker access to the contents
>> >of cached pages and overall performance improvements "
>> >you can refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_cache
>> >for more details.
>> >
>> 
>> My poor knowledge~ Should google it before I imagine the meaning of the
>> terminology.
>> 
>> If my understanding is correct, the Page Cache is counted as Free Page, while
>> actually we should migrate them instead of filter them.
>
>No, the Page Cache is not counted as Free Page ...

OK, I misunderstand the concept in wiki.

The Page Cache is a trade off between Free Page percentage and the I/O
performance in guest.

>
>Liang

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-24  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-22  7:43 [Qemu-devel] [RFC Design Doc]Speed up live migration by skipping free pages Liang Li
2016-03-22 10:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-23  6:05   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-23 14:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24  1:19       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24  9:48         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 10:16           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 10:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 14:33               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 14:44                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 15:16                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 15:18                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 15:25                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 15:27                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 15:39                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 15:47                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 15:59                           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-22 19:05 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-23  6:48   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24  1:24     ` Wei Yang
2016-03-24  9:00       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-24 10:09         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 10:23           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-24 14:50             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 15:11               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 15:53                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 15:56                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 16:05                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24 16:25                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-24 17:49                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-24 22:16                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-25  1:59                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-25  1:32                           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-18 11:08                           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-18 11:29                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-18 14:36                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-18 15:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-19  2:20                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-19 19:12                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-04-25 10:56                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-19 19:05                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-04-20  3:22                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-20  8:10                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-03-25  1:32                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-04-01 10:54   ` Amit Shah
2016-04-05  1:49     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-23  1:37 ` Wei Yang
2016-03-23  7:18   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-23  9:46     ` Wei Yang
2016-03-23 14:35       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24  0:52         ` Wei Yang
2016-03-24  1:32           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-03-24  1:56             ` Wei Yang [this message]
2016-03-23 16:53     ` Eric Blake
2016-03-23 21:41       ` Wei Yang
2016-03-24  1:23       ` Li, Liang Z

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