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From: Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>,
	"nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH] Improve documentation for TLS
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:55:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160409095545.GG19023@grep.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57066F3B.7010500@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 08:31:23AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> > +The FORCEDTLS mode of operation has an implementation problem in
> > +that the client MAY legally simply send a `NBD_OPT_EXPORT_NAME`
> > +to enter transmission mode without previously sending any options.
> > +Therefore, if a server uses FORCEDTLS, it SHOULD implement the
> > +INFO extension.
> 
> I'd go one step further:
> 
> If a server uses FORCEDTLS, it MUST implement the
> NBD_FLAG_FIXED_NEWSTYLE flag, and SHOULD implement the INFO extension.

Yes.

> That way, a client can send ANY option to learn if TLS is required (even
> an option that the server does not recognize); where NBD_OPT_INFO and
> NBD_OPT_LIST are probably the two most useful options, but where ANY
> option works.  A server with TLS but not FIXED_NEWSTYLE is pointless

Actually, such a server is technically impossible ;-)

> (since TLS was introduced at the same time as fixed newstyle,

Eh. I don't know where you got that idea, but that's absolutely not
true. Fixed newstyle was introduced five years ago, TLS was introduced
last year or so.

> we can reasonably require, rather than just suggest, that both things
> be implemented at once to be a compliant FORCEDTLS server).

We have to make fixed newstyle a dependency of any form of tls, but
nothing more seems appropriate.

("fixed newstyle" is necessary for *anything* that is not
NBD_OPT_EXPORT_NAME)

[...]

-- 
< ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen
       people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules,
       and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too.
 -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-09  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-07 11:35 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Improve documentation for TLS Alex Bligh
2016-04-07 11:51 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-07 12:13   ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-07 12:36     ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-07 15:35       ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 15:52         ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-07 13:56     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-07 14:08       ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-09  9:50       ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-09 10:05         ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-09 10:29           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-07 14:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2016-04-07 14:31 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-07 14:57   ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-09  9:55   ` Wouter Verhelst [this message]
2016-04-09 10:06     ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Alex Bligh
2016-04-09  9:36 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-09 10:04   ` Alex Bligh
2016-04-09 10:33     ` Wouter Verhelst

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