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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, dgibson@redhat.com, wehuang@redhat.com,
	drjones@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com, jitendra.kolhe@hpe.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] hw/virtio/balloon: Fixes for different host page sizes
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:34:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160414183404.GB21766@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <570F8AD5.4040805@redhat.com>

* Thomas Huth (thuth@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 14.04.2016 13:47, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Thomas Huth (thuth@redhat.com) wrote:
> > 
> >> That would mean a regression compared to what we have today. Currently,
> >> the ballooning is working OK for 64k guests on a 64k ppc host - rather
> >> by chance than on purpose, but it's working. The guest is always sending
> >> all the 4k fragments of a 64k page, and QEMU is trying to call madvise()
> >> for every one of them, but the kernel is ignoring madvise() on
> >> non-64k-aligned addresses, so we end up with a situation where the
> >> madvise() frees a whole 64k page which is also declared as free by the
> >> guest.
> > 
> > I wouldn't worry about migrating your fragmenet map; but I wonder if it
> > needs to be that complex - does the guest normally do something more sane
> > like do the 4k pages in order and so you've just got to track the last
> > page it tried rather than having a full map?
> 
> That's maybe a little bit easier and might work for well-known Linux
> guests, but IMHO it's even more a hack than my approach: If the Linux
> driver one day is switched to send the pages in the opposite order, or
> if somebody tries to run a non-wellknown (i.e. non-Linux) guest, this
> does not work at all anymore.

True.

> > A side question is whether the behaviour that's seen by virtio_ballon_handle_output
> > is always actually the full 64k page;  it calls balloon_page once
> > for each message/element - but if all of those elements add back up to the full
> > page, perhaps it makes more sense to reassemble it there?
> 
> That might work for 64k page size guests ... but for 4k guests, I think
> you'll have a hard time to reassemble a page there more easily than with
> my current approach. Or do you have a clever algorithm in mind that
> could do the job well there?

No, i didn't; I just have an ulterior motive which is trying to
do as few madvise's as possible, and while virtio_balloon_handle_output sees
potentially quite a few requests at once, balloon_page is stuck down
there at the bottom without any idea of whether there are any more coming.

Dave

>  Thomas
> 
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-14 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-13 11:52 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] hw/virtio/balloon: Fixes for different host page sizes Thomas Huth
2016-04-13 12:37 ` Andrew Jones
2016-04-13 13:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-13 14:51   ` Thomas Huth
2016-04-13 17:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-13 17:38       ` Thomas Huth
2016-04-13 17:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-13 18:11           ` Thomas Huth
2016-04-13 18:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-04-14  3:45               ` David Gibson
2016-04-13 18:21             ` Andrew Jones
2016-04-14 11:47     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-04-14 12:19       ` Thomas Huth
2016-04-14 18:34         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2016-04-15  4:26           ` David Gibson
2016-05-23  6:25     ` Jitendra Kolhe
2016-04-14  3:39   ` David Gibson
2016-04-14  3:37 ` David Gibson

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