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From: "Emilio G. Cota" <cota@braap.org>
To: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Cc: "QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"MTTCG Devel" <mttcg@greensocs.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Sergey Fedorov" <serge.fdrv@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] atomics: do not use __atomic primitives for RCU atomics
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:09:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160523170912.GA16390@flamenco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e48bb769-9339-7c3f-6ec4-496609bc2bca@twiddle.net>

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 09:53:00 -0700, Richard Henderson wrote:
> On 05/21/2016 01:42 PM, Emilio G. Cota wrote:
> >In the process, the atomic_rcu_read/set were converted to implement
> >consume/release semantics, respectively. This is inefficient; for
> >correctness and maximum performance we only need an smp_barrier_depends
> >for reads, and an smp_wmb for writes. Fix it by using the original
> >definition of these two primitives for all compilers.
> 
> For what host do you think this is inefficient?
> 
> In particular, what you've done is going to be less efficient for e.g.
> armv8, where the __atomic formulation is going to produce load-acquire and
> store-release instructions.  Whereas the separate barriers are going to
> produce two insns.
> 
> As for the common case of x86_64, what you're doing is going to make no
> difference at all.
> 
> So what are you trying to improve?

Precisely I tested this on ARMv8. The goal is to not emit a fence at
all, i.e. to emit a single store instead of LDR (load-acquire).

I just realised that under #ifdef __ATOMIC we have:

#define smp_read_barrier_depends() ({ barrier(); __atomic_thread_fence(__ATOMIC_CONSUME); barrier(); })

Why? This should be:

#ifdef __alpha__
#define smp_read_barrier_depends()   asm volatile("mb":::"memory")
#endif

unconditionally.

My patch should have included this additional change to make sense.
Sorry for the confusion.

		E.

PS. And really equating smp_wmb/rmb to release/acquire as we have under
#ifdef __ATOMIC is hard to justify, other than to please tsan.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-23 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-21 20:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] atomics: fix small RCU perf. regression + update documentation Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-21 20:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] atomics: do not use __atomic primitives for RCU atomics Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-22  7:58   ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-24 18:42     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-23 14:21   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-23 15:55     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-23 16:53   ` Richard Henderson
2016-05-23 17:09     ` Emilio G. Cota [this message]
2016-05-24  7:08       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-24 19:56         ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-24 19:59           ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  8:52             ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-25 11:02               ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-21 20:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] docs/atomics: update atomic_read/set comparison with Linux Emilio G. Cota

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