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From: "Emilio G. Cota" <cota@braap.org>
To: Sergey Fedorov <serge.fdrv@gmail.com>
Cc: "QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"MTTCG Devel" <mttcg@listserver.greensocs.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 08/15] qdist: add module to represent frequency distributions of data
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:22:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160603172245.GA8361@flamenco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5749E02A.3080909@gmail.com>

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 21:15:06 +0300, Sergey Fedorov wrote:
> On 25/05/16 04:13, Emilio G. Cota wrote:
> (snip)
> > +double qdist_avg(const struct qdist *dist)
> > +{
> > +    unsigned long count;
> > +    size_t i;
> > +    double ret = 0;
> > +
> > +    count = qdist_sample_count(dist);
> > +    if (!count) {
> > +        return NAN;
> > +    }
> > +    for (i = 0; i < dist->n; i++) {
> > +        struct qdist_entry *e = &dist->entries[i];
> > +
> > +        ret += e->x * e->count / count;
> 
> Please use Welford’s method or something like that, see
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/1346890.

Yes, the way the mean is computed right now, we might suffer
from underflow if count is huge. But I'd rather take that, than the
perf penalty of an iterative method (such as the one used
in Welford's). Note that we might have huge amounts of
items, e.g. one item per head bucket in qht's occupancy qdist
(and 0.5M head buckets is easy to achieve).

If we were to use an iterative method, we'd need to do something
like:

double qdist_avg(const struct qdist *dist)
{
    size_t i, j;
    double ret = 0;

    if (!qdist_sample_count(dist)) {
        return NAN;
    }
    /* compute moving average to prevent under/overflow */
    for (i = 0; i < dist->n; i++) {
        struct qdist_entry *e = &dist->entries[i];

        for (j = 0; j < e->count; j++) {

            ret += (e->x - ret) / (i + j + 1);
        }
    }
    return ret;
}

Note that skipping the inner loop would be incorrect.

I measured the time it takes to execute qdist_avg(&hst.occupancy) at the
end of booting debian jessie for ARM. The difference is
significant:

Original:  0.000002 s
Iterative: 0.002846 s

So really I think we should be OK with a potential underflow. If you want
I can add a comment to remind our future selves of these findings.

		Emilio

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-03 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-25  1:13 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 00/15] tb hash improvements Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 01/15] compiler.h: add QEMU_ALIGNED() to enforce struct alignment Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-27 19:54   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 02/15] seqlock: remove optional mutex Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-27 19:55   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 03/15] seqlock: rename write_lock/unlock to write_begin/end Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-27 19:59   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 04/15] include/processor.h: define cpu_relax() Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-27 20:53   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-27 21:10     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-28 12:35       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 05/15] qemu-thread: add simple test-and-set spinlock Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 06/15] exec: add tb_hash_func5, derived from xxhash Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-28 12:36   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 07/15] tb hash: hash phys_pc, pc, and flags with xxhash Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-28 12:39   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 08/15] qdist: add module to represent frequency distributions of data Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-28 18:15   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03 17:22     ` Emilio G. Cota [this message]
2016-06-03 17:29       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03 17:46         ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-06 23:40           ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-07 14:06             ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-07 22:53               ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-08 13:09                 ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-07  1:05     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-07 15:56       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-08  0:02         ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-08 14:10           ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-08 18:06             ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-08 18:18               ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 09/15] qdist: add test program Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-28 18:56   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 10/15] qht: QEMU's fast, resizable and scalable Hash Table Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 19:52   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-29 19:55     ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-31  7:46     ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-01 20:53       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03  9:18     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-03 15:19       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03 11:01     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-03 15:34       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 11/15] qht: add test program Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 20:15   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 12/15] qht: add qht-bench, a performance benchmark Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 20:45   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03 11:41     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-03 15:41       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-31 15:12   ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-31 16:44     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 13/15] qht: add test-qht-par to invoke qht-bench from 'check' target Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 20:53   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-03 11:07     ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 14/15] tb hash: track translated blocks with qht Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 21:09   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-31  8:39   ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-25  1:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 15/15] translate-all: add tb hash bucket info to 'info jit' dump Emilio G. Cota
2016-05-29 21:14   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-08  6:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 00/15] tb hash improvements Alex Bennée
2016-06-08 15:16   ` Emilio G. Cota
2016-06-08 15:35   ` Richard Henderson
2016-06-08 15:37     ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-08 16:45       ` Alex Bennée

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