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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: "Aviv B.D." <bd.aviv@gmail.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] IOMMU: Integrate between VFIO and vIOMMU to support device assignment
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 21:20:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160607132008.GD1039@pxdev.xzpeter.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160606122134.47e6ef39@ul30vt.home>

On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 12:21:34PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
[...]
> I'm not sure why you're so eager to avoid implementing a replay
> callback for VT-d.  What happens when VT-d is not enabled by the
> guest?  vfio/pci.c calls pci_device_iommu_address_space() to get the
> address space for the device, which results in vtd_find_add_as() which
> gives us a unique VTDAddressSpace.as for that device.  With VT-d not in
> use by the guest, when do steps 3-5 occur?  I agree with your reasoning
> when VT-d is enabled, but the BIOS/UEFI does not enable VT-d, so are we
> going to exclude all use cases of an assigned device prior to the guest
> enabling VT-d?

I think I got the point. I failed to consider the case that we can run
IOMMU without enabling it, like BIOS (as you have mentioned), or we
can disable IOMMU in kernel boot parameters (though, iommu=pt should
still follow the case that IOMMU is enabled).

Sounds like a replay callback is a good idea. For Intel version of the
callback: when DMAR is enabled, we can just return directly. when DMAR
is disabled, we just do whatever we need to do region_add() for the
global address_space_memory.

> 
> On that same topic, I'm really dubious that we have the flexibility in
> our memory API to really support an IOMMU like VT-d and the layout of
> having a VTDAddressSpace per device, rather than exposing shared
> address spaces, has implications on the efficiency and locked memory
> requirements for vfio.  In the above case with VT-d disabled, the
> VTDAddressSpace should alias to the system memory AddressSpace and
> dynamically switch to a per device address space when VT-d is enabled.
> AFAICT, we don't have anything resembling that sort of feature, so we
> rely on the IOMMU driver to replay, perhaps even configuring its own
> MemoryListener to IOMMU notifier gateway, which is also something that
> doesn't currently exist.

It sounds more like a notifier for "IOMMU enablement"? The notifier
should be triggered when IOMMU switch between enabled <-> disabled?
When this happens, we rebuild the mapping in some way.

> 
> Additionally, if there are things unique to VT-d, for instance if VT-d
> is enabled and we can rely on the sequence of events you've set forth,
> then yes, the replay mechanism should do nothing.  But only the VT-d
> code can decide that, which implies that vfio always needs to call the
> replay function and a new MemoryRegionIOMMUOps callback needs to decide
> what to do given the current state of the vIOMMU.  Thanks,

Right. Thanks.

-- peterx

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-07 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-21 16:19 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] IOMMU: Add Support to VFIO devices with vIOMMU present Aviv B.D
2016-05-21 16:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] IOMMU: add VTD_CAP_CM to vIOMMU capability exposed to guest Aviv B.D
2016-05-21 16:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2016-06-02  8:44     ` Peter Xu
2016-06-02 13:00       ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-02 13:14         ` Jan Kiszka
2016-06-02 13:17           ` Jan Kiszka
2016-06-02 16:15           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-06-06  5:04           ` Peter Xu
2016-06-06 13:11             ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-06 13:43               ` Peter Xu
2016-06-06 17:02                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-07  3:20                   ` Peter Xu
2016-06-07  3:58                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-07  5:00                       ` Peter Xu
2016-06-07  5:21                       ` Huang, Kai
2016-06-07 18:46                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-07 22:39                           ` Huang, Kai
2016-05-24  8:14   ` Jason Wang
2016-05-24  9:25     ` Jan Kiszka
2016-05-28 16:12       ` Aviv B.D.
2016-05-28 16:34         ` Kiszka, Jan
2016-05-21 16:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] IOMMU: change iommu_op->translate's is_write to flags, add support to NO_FAIL flag mode Aviv B.D
2016-06-06  5:04   ` Peter Xu
2016-05-21 16:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] IOMMU: Integrate between VFIO and vIOMMU to support device assignment Aviv B.D
2016-05-23 17:53   ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-26 20:58     ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-28 10:52       ` Aviv B.D.
2016-05-28 16:02         ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-28 16:10           ` Aviv B.D.
2016-05-28 17:39             ` Alex Williamson
2016-05-28 18:14               ` Aviv B.D.
2016-05-28 19:48                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-02 13:09                   ` Aviv B.D.
2016-06-02 13:34                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-06  8:09                       ` Peter Xu
2016-06-06 18:21                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-06-07 13:20                           ` Peter Xu [this message]
2016-06-06  7:38     ` Peter Xu
2016-06-06 17:30       ` Alex Williamson

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