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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Nir Soffer <nsoffer@redhat.com>
Cc: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] block/mirror: Fix target backing BDS
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:58:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160609085819.GB4993@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMRbyyvV=T8KWQM6nbqN6rjxVORMUrmqG3JdnFD4OYzjcjpwMA@mail.gmail.com>

Am 08.06.2016 um 17:39 hat Nir Soffer geschrieben:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Am 06.06.2016 um 16:42 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
> >> Currently, we are trying to move the backing BDS from the source to the
> >> target in bdrv_replace_in_backing_chain() which is called from
> >> mirror_exit(). However, mirror_complete() already tries to open the
> >> target's backing chain with a call to bdrv_open_backing_file().
> >>
> >> First, we should only set the target's backing BDS once. Second, the
> >> mirroring block job has a better idea of what to set it to than the
> >> generic code in bdrv_replace_in_backing_chain() (in fact, the latter's
> >> conditions on when to move the backing BDS from source to target are not
> >> really correct).
> >>
> >> Therefore, remove that code from bdrv_replace_in_backing_chain() and
> >> leave it to mirror_complete().
> >>
> >> However, mirror_complete() in turn pursues a questionable strategy by
> >> employing bdrv_open_backing_file(): On the one hand, because this may
> >> open the wrong backing file with drive-mirror in "existing" mode, or
> >> because it will not override a possibly wrong backing file in the
> >> blockdev-mirror case.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, we want to reuse the existing backing chain of the
> >> source instead of opening everything anew, because the latter results in
> >> having multiple BDSs for a single physical file and thus potentially
> >> concurrent access which we should try to avoid.
> >
> > Careful, this "wrong" backing file might actually be intended!
> >
> > Consider a case where you want to move an image with its whole backing
> > chain to different storage. In that case, you would copy all of the
> > backing files (cp is good enough, they are read-only), create the
> > destination image which already points at the copied backing chain, and
> > then mirror in "existing" mode.
> >
> > The intention is obviously that after the job completion the new backing
> > chain is used and not the old one.
> >
> > I know that such cases were discussed when mirroring was introduced, I'm
> > not sure whether it's actually used. We need some input there:
> >
> > Eric, can you tell us whether libvirt makes use of such a setup?
> >
> > Nir, I'm not sure who is the right person in oVirt these days, but do
> > you either know yourself whether oVirt requires this to work, or do you
> > know who else would know?
> 
> I'm the right person, thanks for keeping me in the loop.
> 
> What you describe is how we migrate a disk from one storage to another:
> 
> 1. Create a vm snapshot
> 2. Create a volume on the destination storage for the snapshot
> 3. Start mirroring from the source snapshot to the destination snapshot
>     using libvirt virDomainBlockCopy:
>     https://libvirt.org/html/libvirt-libvirt-domain.html#virDomainBlockCopy

With VIR_DOMAIN_BLOCK_COPY_SHALLOW set, right? (That is, sync=top in QMP
speech.)

> 4. Copy the reset of the chain from source to destination using qemu-img convert
> 5. Pivot to the new chain using libvirt virDomainBlockJobAbort
>     https://libvirt.org/html/libvirt-libvirt-domain.html#virDomainBlockJobAbort
> 6. Remove the old chain
> 
> source and target can be files or block device, and we plan to support also
> rbd and gluster volumes as target, maybe also as source.

Thanks, Nir, we should then do our best not to break it.

Max, maybe we can add a qemu-iotests case that does the exact same thing
as oVirt does?

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-09  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-06 14:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/3] block/mirror: Fix target backing BDS Max Reitz
2016-06-06 14:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] block: Allow replacement of a BDS by its overlay Max Reitz
2016-06-08  8:58   ` Kevin Wolf
2016-06-08 14:21     ` Max Reitz
2016-06-06 14:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] block/mirror: Fix target backing BDS Max Reitz
2016-06-08  9:32   ` Kevin Wolf
2016-06-08 11:28     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-08 11:47       ` Kevin Wolf
2016-06-08 14:40       ` Max Reitz
2016-06-08 14:42         ` Max Reitz
2016-06-08 14:38     ` Max Reitz
2016-06-08 16:54       ` Max Reitz
2016-06-08 15:39     ` Nir Soffer
2016-06-09  8:58       ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2016-06-09 11:16         ` Nir Soffer
2016-06-06 14:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] iotests: Add test for post-mirror backing chains Max Reitz

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