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From: "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Boris Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
	rkrcmar@redhat.com, ashok.raj@intel.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] i386: publish advised value of MSR_IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL via fw_cfg
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 13:55:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160617205555.GA8245@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <126a858e-f88a-3023-c7fe-a531c780121c@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:48:17PM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 06/17/16 22:21, Raj, Ashok wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 07:31:08PM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16/06/2016 08:06, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
> >>>>> It's a prerequisite that certain bits of MSR_IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL should
> >>>>> be set before some features (e.g. VMX and LMCE) can be used, which is
> >>>>> usually done by the firmware. This patch adds a fw_cfg file
> >>>>> "etc/msr_feature_control" which contains the advised value of
> >>>>> MSR_IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL and can be used by guest firmware (e.g. SeaBIOS).
> >>>>>
> > 
> > I'm sorry i'm joining this discussion a bit late returning from vacation. 
> > In a real platform supporting LMCE, BIOS is responsible for setting the bits 
> > for IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL correctly. There are good reasons why we want the 
> > BIOS to play this role.
> > 
> > in a virtualized environment, do we really have to push the same requirement
> > or would it suffice to just emulate it as we did in the early patches.
> > 
> > Not sure what exact problem is created by just simply supporting it within
> > kvm/qemu and not needing the bios for the guest to also adapt these changes.
> 
> At the moment, my understanding of this feature is superficial, but the
> mechanisms involved in it don't seem complex. I don't expect
> difficulties implementing it, I just need the details that I asked for
> spelled out for me.
> 
> As to why we should be doing this in the guest firmware(s) -- "because
> that's what happens on physical machines too" :) Following the phys
> world to the letter in virt is not always a goal, but it's never wrong.

But the guest bios does nothing like the BIOS in the real platform.

for e.g. a real bios would have SMM handlers to work for implementing firmware
first mechanisms before notifying the OS. None of these exist in the 
virtalized world.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-17 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-16  6:06 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] Add QEMU support for Intel local MCE Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] target-i386: KVM: add basic Intel LMCE support Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16  9:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 10:16     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16 10:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 10:34         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16 10:42           ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 18:05             ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-16 18:17               ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 19:37   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-17  1:26     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-17 16:20       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-20  2:04         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] target-i386: add migration support for Intel LMCE Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16  9:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 10:29     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16 10:41       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 10:55         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16 17:36           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-16 17:40             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 17:58               ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-17  2:01                 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-17 17:20                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-17 17:26                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-20  2:11                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-20  6:58                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-20  7:26                         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16 19:53               ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-16  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] i386: publish advised value of MSR_IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL via fw_cfg Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-16  9:52   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-16 11:19     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-17 17:31       ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-06-17 20:21         ` Raj, Ashok
2016-06-17 20:48           ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-06-17 20:55             ` Raj, Ashok [this message]
2016-06-17 21:30               ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-06-20  3:09           ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-20  6:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-20  7:20               ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-22 10:18         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-06-22 15:51           ` Laszlo Ersek

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