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From: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
To: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mst@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2] hw/virtio-pci: fix virtio behaviour on modern (PCIe) machines
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:23:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160720132303.0a61a7f4.cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <578F4668.4050402@redhat.com>

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:37:44 +0300
Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 07/20/2016 12:16 PM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:42:58 +0300
> > Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Modern machines are expected to be used by newer setups with
> >> modern guests aiming the use of the latest features.
> >>
> >> Enable modern and disable legacy for virtio devices
> >> plugged into PCIe ports (Root ports or Downstream ports).
> >> Using the Virtio 1 mode will remove the limitation
> >> of the number of devices that can be attached to a machine
> >> by removing the need for the IO BAR.
> >
> 
> Hi Cornelia,
> 
> > Stupid question: Does this limitation show up for legacy and
> > transitional, but not for modern?
> >
> 
> Yes, with PCIe we need to disable the IO Bars.
> 
> Here is a short explanation:
> The root cause it the PCIe architecture being "point to point" rather than 'shared bus'.
> Each PCIe port supports only one device (multiple functions though) but is exposed
> as a PCI bridge. The firmware will assign a 4k IO window for each bridge if
> a device with IO BARs is attached to it.
> 
> So the firmware will allocate a 4K IO range for each PCIe port -> for each device.
> Since the IO space is pretty limited we can support around 15 devices with IO BARs
> attached to PCIe ports.
> 
> There are other ways to deal with the limitation like tweaking the firmware
> to assign a smaller IO window (no PCI compliant, but it should work)

Thanks for the explanation!

> 
> Looking only at the virtio scope, disabling legacy and enabling modern
> should be enough.
> 
> > Would it make sense then to default to modern for PCIe and transitional
> > for non-PCIe?
> >
> 
> Yes. this patch only does the first part (deals only with the PCIe limitation),
> but the next version will also include 'transitional' virtio as default for non PCIe slots.

OK, sounds sensible. The transport-agnostic virtio-1 code should be
pretty sane at this point.

      reply	other threads:[~2016-07-20 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-19 18:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V2] hw/virtio-pci: fix virtio behaviour on modern (PCIe) machines Marcel Apfelbaum
2016-07-19 22:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-07-20  8:27   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2016-07-20  8:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-07-20  9:01     ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2016-07-20  9:43       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-07-20  9:16 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-07-20  9:37   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2016-07-20 11:23     ` Cornelia Huck [this message]

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