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From: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jdenemar@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
	fiuczy@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mimu@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 01/29] qmp: details about CPU definitions in query-cpu-definitions
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 16:27:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160802162755.17ec8ada@thinkpad-w530> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160802140031.GF3337@thinpad.lan.raisama.net>

> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 03:23:30PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> [...]
> > > > +#
> > > > +# @static: #optional whether a CPU definition is static and will not change
> > > > +#          between QEMU versions / QEMU machines. A static model is always
> > > > +#          migration-safe. If not provided, information is not available.    
> > > 
> > > I assume static models don't change depending on the
> > > machine-type, either. If that's case, we should document that.  
> > 
> > That's what I meant with "QEMU machines", should that be "QEMU machine types"
> > instead?  
> 
> Sorry, I was reading it too quickly. You did document it. :)
> 
> We could extend it to mention the other guarantees (just like my
> previous suggestion for CpuModelExpansionType::static): "will not
> change depending on QEMU version, machine type, machine options,
> and accelerator options".

Sounds good to me!

> 
> >   
> > > 
> > > I believe in this case we don't need to make it optional: just
> > > make the field always present and set it to "false" by default.  
> > 
> > That is true for x86, do you know about the other architectures (arm, ppc)?
> > I'd like to avoid returning false information here for other architectures.  
> 
> As being "static" is not a fact about the existing code, but just
> a guarantee about what the developers are going to do in the
> future, static=false just means that the developers didn't make
> any promises yet (so I don't think it would ever be false
> information).
> 
> In other words, I believe we can safely assume a CPU model is not
> guaranteed to be static unless the maintainers decided to
> explicitly document it as static (and change the data returned by
> query-cpu-definitions).
> 
> (I am assuming that changing it from "false" to "true" in a new
> QEMU version won't be a problem for anybody.)
> 

Hmm, if "static" means, the model will never be changed, but it was changed in
the past, this sounds somewhat strange. I would rather say then "information
is not available" == no guarantee.

But if nobody else sees a problem with that, I can just set it to stable=false
on all other architectures.

Thanks!

David

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-02 11:58 [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 00/29] s390x CPU models: exposing features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 01/29] qmp: details about CPU definitions in query-cpu-definitions David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 13:04   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 13:23     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:00       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:27         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2016-08-02 14:49           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:53             ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 02/29] s390x/cpumodel: "host" and "qemu" as CPU subclasses David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 03/29] s390x/cpumodel: expose CPU class properties David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 04/29] s390x/cpumodel: introduce CPU features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 05/29] s390x/cpumodel: generate CPU feature lists for CPU models David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 06/29] s390x/cpumodel: generate CPU feature group lists David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 07/29] s390x/cpumodel: introduce CPU feature group definitions David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 08/29] s390x/cpumodel: register defined CPU models as subclasses David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 09/29] s390x/cpumodel: store the CPU model in the CPU instance David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 10/29] s390x/cpumodel: expose features and feature groups as properties David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 11/29] s390x/cpumodel: let the CPU model handle feature checks David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 12/29] s390x/cpumodel: check and apply the CPU model David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 13/29] s390x/sclp: factor out preparation of cpu entries David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 14/29] s390x/sclp: introduce sclp feature blocks David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 15/29] s390x/sclp: indicate sclp features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 12:31   ` Thomas Huth
2016-08-02 13:00     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 16/29] s390x/sclp: propagate the ibc val(lowest and unblocked ibc) David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 17/29] s390x/sclp: propagate the mha via sclp David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 18/29] s390x/sclp: propagate hmfai David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 19/29] linux-headers: update against kvm/next David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 20/29] s390x/kvm: allow runtime-instrumentation for "none" machine David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 21/29] s390x/kvm: implement CPU model support David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 22/29] s390x/kvm: disable host model for existing compat machines David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 23/29] s390x/kvm: let the CPU model control CMM(A) David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 24/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-expansion" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 13:45   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 15:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 15:38       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-03  7:02         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 25/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-comparison" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:45   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 15:15     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 15:47       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-03  7:09         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-03 17:39           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-04  7:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04 14:36     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 26/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-baseline" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04  7:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04 14:36     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 27/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-expansion" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:22   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 28/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-comparison" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 29/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-baseline" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 17:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 00/29] s390x CPU models: exposing features Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 18:12   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 20:14     ` Eduardo Habkost

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