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From: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jdenemar@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
	fiuczy@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mimu@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 01/29] qmp: details about CPU definitions in query-cpu-definitions
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 16:53:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160802165324.5cee58e0@thinkpad-w530> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160802144959.GI3337@thinpad.lan.raisama.net>

> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 04:27:55PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> [...]
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe in this case we don't need to make it optional: just
> > > > > make the field always present and set it to "false" by default.    
> > > > 
> > > > That is true for x86, do you know about the other architectures (arm, ppc)?
> > > > I'd like to avoid returning false information here for other architectures.    
> > > 
> > > As being "static" is not a fact about the existing code, but just
> > > a guarantee about what the developers are going to do in the
> > > future, static=false just means that the developers didn't make
> > > any promises yet (so I don't think it would ever be false
> > > information).
> > > 
> > > In other words, I believe we can safely assume a CPU model is not
> > > guaranteed to be static unless the maintainers decided to
> > > explicitly document it as static (and change the data returned by
> > > query-cpu-definitions).
> > > 
> > > (I am assuming that changing it from "false" to "true" in a new
> > > QEMU version won't be a problem for anybody.)
> > >   
> > 
> > Hmm, if "static" means, the model will never be changed, but it was changed in
> > the past, this sounds somewhat strange. I would rather say then "information
> > is not available" == no guarantee.  
> 
> If the CPU model really changed in the past, I think it must be
> always set to "false".
> 
> But if it never changed in the past and we never made an explicit
> decision about future guarantees, we can set it to "false" today,
> and change it to "true" later (after we made a decision).
> 
> > 
> > But if nobody else sees a problem with that, I can just set it to stable=false
> > on all other architectures.  
> 
> I think it's OK, as long we set it to "true" only if it never
> changed in the past.
> 

That indeed is okay. So I'll change that for arm,ppc and x86 (static=false for
all returned definitions).

David

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-02 11:58 [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 00/29] s390x CPU models: exposing features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 01/29] qmp: details about CPU definitions in query-cpu-definitions David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 13:04   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 13:23     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:00       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:27         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:49           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:53             ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 02/29] s390x/cpumodel: "host" and "qemu" as CPU subclasses David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 03/29] s390x/cpumodel: expose CPU class properties David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 04/29] s390x/cpumodel: introduce CPU features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 05/29] s390x/cpumodel: generate CPU feature lists for CPU models David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 06/29] s390x/cpumodel: generate CPU feature group lists David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 07/29] s390x/cpumodel: introduce CPU feature group definitions David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 08/29] s390x/cpumodel: register defined CPU models as subclasses David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 09/29] s390x/cpumodel: store the CPU model in the CPU instance David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 10/29] s390x/cpumodel: expose features and feature groups as properties David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 11/29] s390x/cpumodel: let the CPU model handle feature checks David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 12/29] s390x/cpumodel: check and apply the CPU model David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 13/29] s390x/sclp: factor out preparation of cpu entries David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 14/29] s390x/sclp: introduce sclp feature blocks David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 15/29] s390x/sclp: indicate sclp features David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 12:31   ` Thomas Huth
2016-08-02 13:00     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 16/29] s390x/sclp: propagate the ibc val(lowest and unblocked ibc) David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 17/29] s390x/sclp: propagate the mha via sclp David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 18/29] s390x/sclp: propagate hmfai David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 19/29] linux-headers: update against kvm/next David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 20/29] s390x/kvm: allow runtime-instrumentation for "none" machine David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 21/29] s390x/kvm: implement CPU model support David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 22/29] s390x/kvm: disable host model for existing compat machines David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 23/29] s390x/kvm: let the CPU model control CMM(A) David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 24/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-expansion" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 13:45   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 15:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 15:38       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-03  7:02         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 25/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-comparison" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:45   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 15:15     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 15:47       ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-03  7:09         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-03 17:39           ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-04  7:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04 14:36     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 26/29] qmp: add QMP interface "query-cpu-model-baseline" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04  7:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-04 14:36     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 27/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-expansion" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 14:22   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 14:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 28/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-comparison" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 29/29] s390x/cpumodel: implement QMP interface "query-cpu-model-baseline" David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 17:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [Patch v1 00/29] s390x CPU models: exposing features Eduardo Habkost
2016-08-02 18:12   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-08-02 20:14     ` Eduardo Habkost

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