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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Jianjun Duan <duanj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	veroniabahaa@gmail.com, peter.maydell@linaro.org,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mst@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com,
	mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	mreitz@redhat.com, blauwirbel@gmail.com, amit.shah@redhat.com,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, kraxel@redhat.com, kwolf@redhat.com,
	dmitry@daynix.com, rth@twiddle.net, leon.alrae@imgtec.com,
	aurelien@aurel32.net, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 4/6] migration: migrate QTAILQ
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:21:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161006152140.GD3087@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561d3bf0-6df6-fabb-3c58-446bc0761b26@redhat.com>

* Paolo Bonzini (pbonzini@redhat.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> On 06/10/2016 13:56, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> >> > Yes, it's sickening but that's what you do to honor backwards compatibility.
> > Actually, that's not *that* bad an idea.
> > 
> > Lets go with Jianjun's structure for the moment; we can always expand on it.
> > 
> > It seems we have ~3 concepts that feel partially independent:
> > 
> >     a) The format of the loop on the wire (eg one byte per iteration, 0 terminates)
> >     b) The way the list is represented (QTAILQ, simple array, device specific linked-list)
> >     c) The data gathered in each iteration
> >     d) The allocation of (c)
> > 
> > This patch has a,b,d all wrapped up together in the get/put functions -
> > where I was hoping to find a way to separate them a bit so that we
> > could say; I want a loop, with this format, into this data structure, using this allocator.
> 
> Yes, the sickening part is when the format of the loop intersects with
> the format of the datastructure.

Yes.

> I agree with moving the allocator out of VMStateInfo and back into
> VMStateField, but only as long as VMStateAllocator could replace other
> VMS_* flags.
> 
> I'm not sure about the value in separating (a) and (b), but we can do
> things one step at a time.

The other observation is that in many of the cases the loop body uses
some state present in the outer state or in a value read prior to the
start of the loop.
For example virtio_blk_load_device uses the vdev pointer inside
the loop during the initialisation of each loaded request (I can see
some hacky ways of avoiding it but it's messy).

> By the way, regarding this:
> 
> > The other possibility is just to bump the version and make the SCSI
> > request flag a separate byte after the "is there another entry" byte.
> 
> There is another way to do it that is much more backwards-compatible.
> Choose a "default" value of retry corresponding to what QEMU encodes as
> a "1".  If it's different, use a subsection to encode that.  Migration
> from old to new will fail if the wrong value of retry is used, because
> it will see a 2 where the QTAILQ loop expects a zero or one.  Migration
> from new to old will fail if the wrong value of retry is used, because
> it will see a subsection header where the QTAILQ loop expects a zero or one.
> 
> I think this is acceptable, and it would only affect migration of USB
> storage devices.

Yes, it might be worth it in some of these cases; although I do try
and avoid breaking format at almost all costs.

Dave

> Paolo
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-06 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-03 18:24 [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 0/6] migration: ensure hotplug and migration work together Jianjun Duan
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 1/6] migration: alternative way to set instance_id in SaveStateEntry Jianjun Duan
2016-10-05 10:12   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-05 16:44     ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07  2:54       ` David Gibson
2016-10-07  8:07         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-10  5:31           ` David Gibson
2016-10-11 16:17             ` Michael Roth
2016-10-11 23:37               ` David Gibson
2016-11-15 23:45         ` Michael Roth
2016-10-05 16:46     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 2/6] migration: spapr_drc: defined VMStateDescription struct Jianjun Duan
2016-10-05 11:38   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-07  3:17     ` David Gibson
2016-10-07  3:12   ` David Gibson
2016-10-07 17:17     ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-10  5:09       ` David Gibson
2016-10-10 16:48         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 3/6] migration: extend VMStateInfo Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07 12:08   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-07 16:35     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07 18:42       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-10  5:02         ` David Gibson
2016-10-12 11:59   ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2016-10-12 12:07     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-12 12:30       ` Halil Pasic
2016-10-12 14:59         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-13 10:33           ` Halil Pasic
2016-10-13 11:12             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-12 17:27       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-13  8:22         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-13 10:48           ` Halil Pasic
2016-10-13 11:20             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-13 16:23             ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-13 16:32               ` Halil Pasic
2016-10-13 16:35                 ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 4/6] migration: migrate QTAILQ Jianjun Duan
2016-10-05 16:56   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-05 17:19     ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-06 19:01       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-06 19:49         ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07  3:25         ` David Gibson
2016-10-07 14:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-07 14:34           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-07 16:31             ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07 16:32               ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-07 17:25                 ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07 17:34                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-07 17:43                     ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-08 11:37                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-08 19:28                         ` Halil Pasic
2016-10-10 21:29                           ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-11  7:33                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-10 21:40                           ` Jianjun Duan
2016-10-06 11:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-06 11:56       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2016-10-06 12:23         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-06 15:21           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 5/6] migration: spapr: migrate ccs_list in spapr state Jianjun Duan
2016-10-07  3:36   ` David Gibson
2016-10-07 14:52     ` Michael Roth
2016-10-10  5:05       ` David Gibson
2016-10-03 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 6/6] migration: spapr: migrate pending_events of " Jianjun Duan
2016-10-03 18:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU PATCH v5 0/6] migration: ensure hotplug and migration work together no-reply
2016-10-03 19:00 ` no-reply
2016-10-03 19:11 ` Jianjun Duan

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